From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:48:58 +0200 Message-ID: <48B7396A.7020905@gmail.com> References: <48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com> <48B737E2.5020306@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219967370 31384 80.91.229.12 (28 Aug 2008 23:49:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 29 01:50:23 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYrFu-0008TP-D8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:50:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43446 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYrEu-00060f-TP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:49:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYrEr-00060Z-BS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:49:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYrEo-00060N-Tt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:49:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49563 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYrEo-00060K-Oy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:49:14 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:55779) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KYrEn-0003K1-Rm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:49:14 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-87.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.87]:59761 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KYrEe-0001z2-6j; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:49:06 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <48B737E2.5020306@harpegolden.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080828-0, 2008-08-28), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.87 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KYrEe-0001z2-6j. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KYrEe-0001z2-6j af8f7baef9a45d8244b4d5b597403233 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103116 Archived-At: David De La Harpe Golden wrote: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >> I just deleted a file because I misunderstood dired. I needed that file >> (of course). >> >> And then I found that dired did not make any backup and did not use >> windows Recycle bin. >> >> This behaviour does not make me trust for example GNU/Linux. I would >> beleive this is a behaviour implemented after how things work there. Is >> this correct? Does Emacs behave this way on GNU/Linus too? > > Traditionally on unix and gnu+linux, when you say you want a file gone, > the system and programs believe you. This is quite widely regarded as a > feature. And personally, I think trashcans just suck, they're a terrible > UI metaphor, Thanks, I would be glad for no lessons. Why do you think they suck? I think it is a very good metaphor, easy to understand. > apart from the security risks. This is a much lesser risk than loosing your files. If you are handling sensitive materials on a computer and do not know what you are doing then ... ;-) > Things like > versioned/snapshotted filesystems with timeline views are so much neater. Ok, I see. But if that not is used then trash cans are very good. > That said, on typical gnu+linux desktops, there IS a trash can provided, > but emacs dired delete AFAIK doesn't use it. It probably could (or > another "move to trash" command be provided) with relatively little > effort (nonetheless I'm not volunteering...), the spec is very simple > and widely adopted. > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/trash-spec Thanks. I am sure it is easily equal on w32. Actually I think someone proposed it a while ago. I really thought it was implemented.