* Emacs 22.2.91 pretest @ 2008-08-26 20:47 Chong Yidong 2008-08-27 15:00 ` Jason Rumney 2008-08-29 13:36 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2008-08-26 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel Emacs pretest version 22.2.91 is now available. This is the second pretest for Emacs 22.3, which will be a bugfix release. The source tarball is available here: http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-22.2.91.tar.gz The xdelta against pretest 22.2.90 is here: http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-22.2.90-22.2.91.xdelta The CVS tag is EMACS_PRETEST_22_2_91. If you have problems building, please email emacs-devel@gnu.org. For all other bugs, please use M-x report-emacs-bug or send email to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org. For any other questions or problems, email emacs-devel@gnu.org. Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-26 20:47 Emacs 22.2.91 pretest Chong Yidong @ 2008-08-27 15:00 ` Jason Rumney 2008-08-27 15:25 ` Drew Adams 2008-08-27 16:27 ` Emacs 22.2.91 pretest Drew Adams 2008-08-29 13:36 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2008-08-27 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: > Emacs pretest version 22.2.91 is now available. Windows binaries are now available in http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/ (I didn't announce the 22.2.90 binaries because of a packaging error, and problems uploading a fix for it from my current unreliable connection). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 15:00 ` Jason Rumney @ 2008-08-27 15:25 ` Drew Adams 2008-08-27 15:28 ` Jason Rumney 2008-08-27 16:27 ` Emacs 22.2.91 pretest Drew Adams 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Jason Rumney', emacs-devel > > Emacs pretest version 22.2.91 is now available. > > Windows binaries are now available in > http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/ Thanks. How about also having at this URL a zip archive that includes the src directory? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 15:25 ` Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 15:28 ` Jason Rumney 2008-08-27 16:12 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2008-08-27 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: emacs-devel Drew Adams wrote: >>> Emacs pretest version 22.2.91 is now available. >>> >> Windows binaries are now available in >> http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/ >> > > > Thanks. > > How about also having at this URL a zip archive that includes the src directory? > The src is in the parent directory, as stated in the README. If you get the source, you only need the barebin, which you can unpack in the same location. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 15:28 ` Jason Rumney @ 2008-08-27 16:12 ` Drew Adams 2008-08-27 16:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2008-08-27 17:12 ` Jason Rumney 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Jason Rumney'; +Cc: emacs-devel > > Thanks. > > > > How about also having at this URL a zip archive that > includes the src directory? > > The src is in the parent directory, as stated in the README. Sorry, but I don't see that stated anywhere in the README (perhaps I need a little more coffee this morning?). In one place it says "download the source distribution", but I don't see that it mentions where to do that. Also, the README says "the Windows binaries are provided in several combinations, ranging from the complete source plus executables..." I don't see that first combination: complete source plus executables. Also, the parent directory has no zip files, which is what many Windows users might expect. Also, FWIW, I tried downloading emacs-22.2.91.tar.gz from the parent dir by clicking its link (in IE 6), but WinZip complained after downloading ("Error reading header after processing 0 entries), and I ended up with an empty archive (nothing to extract). I had to instead right-click the link, choose Save Target As, change the default name from *.tar.tar (?) to *.tar.gz, save, and then open the saved *.tar.gz archive - that works. Dunno if this is a WinZip problem or something else, but other Windows users might run into the same issue. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 16:12 ` Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 16:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2008-08-27 16:25 ` Drew Adams 2008-08-27 17:12 ` Jason Rumney 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2008-08-27 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: emacs-devel, 'Jason Rumney' Drew Adams wrote: > Also, FWIW, I tried downloading emacs-22.2.91.tar.gz from the parent dir by > clicking its link (in IE 6), but WinZip complained after downloading ("Error > reading header after processing 0 entries), and I ended up with an empty archive > (nothing to extract). I had to instead right-click the link, choose Save Target > As, change the default name from *.tar.tar (?) to *.tar.gz, save, and then open > the saved *.tar.gz archive - that works. Dunno if this is a WinZip problem or > something else, but other Windows users might run into the same issue. Yes, on windows zip files are better than *.tar.gz files. However if you need to handle *.tar.gz files then 7-zip is much better than WinZip (or at least WinZip was not good at this, I have not been using it for a very long time now). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 16:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2008-08-27 16:25 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Lennart Borgman (gmail)'; +Cc: emacs-devel, 'Jason Rumney' > Yes, on windows zip files are better than *.tar.gz files. > However if you need to handle *.tar.gz files then 7-zip > is much better than WinZip (or at least WinZip was not > good at this, I have not been using it for a > very long time now). Sure, but many Windows users will likely use WinZip. If this is a WinZip issue and not an Emacs packaging issue, then we can perhaps advise people who use WinZip to right-click and save to disk, renaming the file from .tar.tar to .tar.gz. Or we can perhaps advise Windows users to use an alternative to WinZip, such as 7-zip. And mention why. But without telling them something, I'm guessing that at least some Windows users will run into a problem. And perhaps some will give up. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 16:12 ` Drew Adams 2008-08-27 16:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2008-08-27 17:12 ` Jason Rumney 2008-08-27 17:20 ` Drew Adams 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2008-08-27 17:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: emacs-devel Drew Adams wrote: >> The src is in the parent directory, as stated in the README. >> > > Sorry, but I don't see that stated anywhere in the README It was near the top, in the section headed IMPORTANT LEGAL REMINDER, but the implication was that only people redistributing Emacs need read that section, so I can understand why you missed it. I eliminated the obsolete information about source being in the same directory, and other misleading information that is no longer true, and added mention of the source location to the first paragraph. Your other problems seem to stem from using proprietary software to download and unpack Emacs, so I have added further recommendations for Free software that works properly. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 17:12 ` Jason Rumney @ 2008-08-27 17:20 ` Drew Adams 2008-08-27 17:30 ` Chong Yidong 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Jason Rumney'; +Cc: emacs-devel > >> The src is in the parent directory, as stated in the README. > > > > Sorry, but I don't see that stated anywhere in the README > > It was near the top, in the section headed IMPORTANT LEGAL > REMINDER, but > the implication was that only people redistributing Emacs > need read that > section, so I can understand why you missed it. I eliminated the > obsolete information about source being in the same > directory, and other > misleading information that is no longer true, and added > mention of the > source location to the first paragraph. > > Your other problems seem to stem from using proprietary software to > download and unpack Emacs, so I have added further > recommendations for Free software that works properly. Thanks. One detail I notice: There is a character just before "This file is part of GNU Emacs" that appears in my browser (IE 6) as a square box. Dunno what it is, but you might want to take a look. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 17:20 ` Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 17:30 ` Chong Yidong 2008-08-27 17:50 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2008-08-27 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: emacs-devel, 'Jason Rumney' "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: > One detail I notice: There is a character just before "This file is > part of GNU Emacs" that appears in my browser (IE 6) as a square > box. Dunno what it is, but you might want to take a look. That's control-L, the newpage character. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 17:30 ` Chong Yidong @ 2008-08-27 17:50 ` Drew Adams 2008-08-27 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Chong Yidong'; +Cc: emacs-devel, 'Jason Rumney' > > One detail I notice: There is a character just before "This file is > > part of GNU Emacs" that appears in my browser (IE 6) as a square > > box. Dunno what it is, but you might want to take a look. > > That's control-L, the newpage character. Oh, OK; sorry for the noise. (Bad IE, bad IE; go to your corner.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 17:50 ` Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier 2008-08-27 20:47 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2008-08-28 8:19 ` Miles Bader 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2008-08-27 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 'Chong Yidong', 'Jason Rumney', emacs-devel > (Bad IE, bad IE; go to your corner.) No, the problem is not with IE, but with users who decide to use it. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2008-08-27 20:47 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2008-08-28 8:19 ` Miles Bader 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2008-08-27 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 'Chong Yidong', emacs-devel, Drew Adams, 'Jason Rumney' >> (Bad IE, bad IE; go to your corner.) > > No, the problem is not with IE, but with users who decide to use it. In some rather strange definition of "users" ... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier 2008-08-27 20:47 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2008-08-28 8:19 ` Miles Bader 2008-08-28 9:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2008-08-28 15:58 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2008-08-28 8:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 'Chong Yidong', emacs-devel, Drew Adams, 'Jason Rumney' Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes: > No, the problem is not with IE, but with users who decide to use it. Does anyone actually _decide_ to use IE...? -Miles -- Freebooter, n. A conqueror in a small way of business, whose annexations lack of the sanctifying merit of magnitude. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-28 8:19 ` Miles Bader @ 2008-08-28 9:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2008-08-28 15:58 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2008-08-28 9:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Miles Bader Cc: 'Chong Yidong', 'Jason Rumney', Stefan Monnier, Drew Adams, emacs-devel Miles Bader writes: > Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes: > > No, the problem is not with IE, but with users who decide to use it. > > Does anyone actually _decide_ to use IE...? Website developers. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-28 8:19 ` Miles Bader 2008-08-28 9:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2008-08-28 15:58 ` Stefan Monnier 2008-08-28 17:30 ` Drew Adams 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2008-08-28 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Miles Bader Cc: 'Chong Yidong', emacs-devel, Drew Adams, 'Jason Rumney' >> No, the problem is not with IE, but with users who decide to use it. > Does anyone actually _decide_ to use IE...? Depends on whether they are allowed to install an alternative, whether they know there are alternatives, and whether you consider awareness of the choice to be a necessary requirement for there to be a decision. In the case of Drew, the only excuse I could imagine is if he's working on a machine where he's not allowed to install an alternative. Stefan "who has used IE several times in the past, but only ever to download PuTTY or Firefox" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-28 15:58 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2008-08-28 17:30 ` Drew Adams 2008-08-28 21:32 ` IE usage (was: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest) Michael Albinus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2008-08-28 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Stefan Monnier', 'Miles Bader' Cc: 'Chong Yidong', emacs-devel, 'Jason Rumney' > >> No, the problem is not with IE, but with users who decide > >> to use it. > > > > Does anyone actually _decide_ to use IE...? > > Depends on whether they are allowed to install an alternative, > whether they know there are alternatives, and whether you > consider awareness of the choice to be a necessary requirement > for there to be a decision. > > In the case of Drew, the only excuse I could imagine is if > he's working on a machine where he's not allowed to install > an alternative. > > Stefan "who has used IE several times in the past, > but only ever to download PuTTY or Firefox" I've ignored this silliness so far, but since Drew's use of IE seems to be important to you, FWIW: * I have several "alternatives" installed, including PuTTY and Firefox. And I use them. * I work in an environment where some of the intranet tools that I use work only or best with IE. This is a reason (not an excuse) that I and thousands of others who use those tools on that intranet use IE. * In that same environment, however, I and others also use tools that work only or best with Firefox or Thunderbird or any number of other browsers or mail clients. So we use those as well. (Yes, this juggling can be inconvenient.) * I happened to be using IE when I visited that GNU Emacs page. However, Firefox in fact exhibits the same symptom in this case, at least for me: ^L shows as a square box. So this minor problem is due not only to IE. Bad Firefox - go to your corner. * I don't need you to imagine excuses for me. But feel free, of course, to imagine anything you like. ;-) * I don't need you to excuse me, Father, for using IE. An ivory-tower, holier-than-thou attitude has no effect on at least some of us in the fields below who are not religious. The use of non-"alternative" browsers and other tools might be a reality you want to change, or perhaps even one that you ignore or whose existence you deny, but it is currently a reality none the less. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* IE usage (was: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest) 2008-08-28 17:30 ` Drew Adams @ 2008-08-28 21:32 ` Michael Albinus 2008-08-28 21:44 ` IE usage Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2008-08-28 21:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams Cc: 'Chong Yidong', emacs-devel, 'Jason Rumney', 'Stefan Monnier', 'Miles Bader' "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: > * I work in an environment where some of the intranet tools that I use work only > or best with IE. This is a reason (not an excuse) that I and thousands of others > who use those tools on that intranet use IE. There is the "IE Tab" Firefox Add-on. Best regards, Michael (I don't need it, luckily). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: IE usage 2008-08-28 21:32 ` IE usage (was: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest) Michael Albinus @ 2008-08-28 21:44 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2008-08-28 21:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus Cc: 'Chong Yidong', 'Jason Rumney', 'Stefan Monnier', emacs-devel, Drew Adams, 'Miles Bader' Michael Albinus wrote: > "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: > >> * I work in an environment where some of the intranet tools that I use work only >> or best with IE. This is a reason (not an excuse) that I and thousands of others >> who use those tools on that intranet use IE. > > There is the "IE Tab" Firefox Add-on. Which I stopped using because it did not work in our corporate environment. (Login to some things just got mixed up. I reported the bug but got no feedback.) Beside that I see no advantage of it beside that it supports tabbing (which is not in IE 6). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* RE: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-27 15:00 ` Jason Rumney 2008-08-27 15:25 ` Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 16:27 ` Drew Adams 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2008-08-27 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel Dunno if it was intentional, but I, for one, am glad to see the old Emacs notebook icon back. Thx. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 22.2.91 pretest 2008-08-26 20:47 Emacs 22.2.91 pretest Chong Yidong 2008-08-27 15:00 ` Jason Rumney @ 2008-08-29 13:36 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2008-08-29 13:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: emacs-devel > From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:47:33 -0400 > > Emacs pretest version 22.2.91 is now available. This is the second > pretest for Emacs 22.3, which will be a bugfix release. Successfully built on: Linux fencepost 2.6.16.29-xen #1 SMP Wed Dec 6 07:32:36 EST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux windows32 home-c4e4a596f7 2.5.1 2600 i786-pc Intel unknown MinGW MS-DOS HOME-C4E4A596F7 5 50 i386-pc-msdosdjgpp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
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