From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:14:26 -0700 Message-ID: <48B44802.1080302@emf.net> References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prnxe5hc.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <873aktck5d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k5e5dsvq.fsf@rattlesnake.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219771447 19019 80.91.229.12 (26 Aug 2008 17:24:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Robert J. Chassell" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 26 19:25:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KY2Hq-0002Qi-Po for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:24:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44763 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KY2Gs-0004rY-Jh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:23:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KY2Gn-0004oo-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:23:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KY2Gl-0004jj-5a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43182 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KY2Gk-0004jH-Ui for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:23:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]:48455) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KY2Gf-0000Pe-QY; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:23:46 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.75.128] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 37688994; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:23:39 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102993 Archived-At: Richard M. Stallman wrote: > The decision on whether to include a dynamic linker in Emacs > does not directly affect users' freedom. (It doesn't change the license.) > What is affects is which changes we facilitate and which changes we don't. > > The case of XRefactory and its harmful effects on CEDET illustrate the > kind of harm I'm trying to avoid. It also shows that we cannot > totally avoid such problems. But opening a convenient door for making > them is likely to mean more of them. I want to have less of them. > You picked a great example. The absence of a dynamic loader makes it harder to implement the more performance-intensive parts of a modern IDE. Therefore, the dynamic loader ban makes a free software project like CEDET harder than it needs to be. That a modern IDE project for Emacs is so hard makes the problem an attractive target for a proprietary software company. To the proprietary vendor, the difficulty of writing the program in the first place is a barrier to entry and will help protect future profits In other words: the incentive to create the non-free XRefractory comes, in part, from the ban on a dynamic loader. The ban has the exact opposite of the intended effect. -t > > > > >