From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: whither GNU Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:34:58 -0700 Message-ID: <48AE09B2.3080900@emf.net> References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <20080812171404.GB7999@muc.de> <20080813092057.GA3010@muc.de> <20080814083817.GA2593@muc.de> <877iak7xfp.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <873al79akr.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <87d4k6qm9g.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r68kr1v5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219362316 28109 80.91.229.12 (21 Aug 2008 23:45:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hannes@saeurebad.de, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, "Stephen J. Turnbull" To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 22 01:46:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KWJqw-0006KT-RL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:46:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46956 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KWJpy-0003IJ-By for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:45:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KWJpt-0003Ga-5I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:45:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KWJpr-0003Cg-4N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:45:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45332 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KWJpq-0003CA-JV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:44:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]:43442) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KWJpd-0005P8-40; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:44:45 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.75.128] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 37387274; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:44:32 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102798 Archived-At: It's interesting how this discussion has laid something bare: The take away message from RMS' intransigence seems to be that if you want to make a priority of exercising software freedom so as to maximize the utility of available free software, you should not subject yourself to GNU project leadership. That seems ironic but it shouldn't be a surprise: The GNU projects, especially central ones like Emacs, do double duty as "messages" and their role as messages takes priority over technical quality. I'm pretty sure that isn't what I signed up for when I decided that software freedom is the Right Thing but I guess other people's mileage may vary. -t Richard M. Stallman wrote: > About 4 years ago I asked you about whether it was compatible with the > GPL to distribute an XEmacs with a Qt interface, given that (a) the > X11 version of Qt had been relicensed to GPL, but (b) the Windows > version was still under a non-free license. > > You replied that it was compatible if the build system provided no > support for linking Qt on the Windows system, and configure (for > Cygwin) warned that Qt is a nonfree library and therefore not > supported on Windows. > > That sounds right, but it is a different issue. > > > >