From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:24:28 +0200 Message-ID: <48A18F0C.4000605@gmail.com> References: <663766.3592561218546669709.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218547665 2833 80.91.229.12 (12 Aug 2008 13:27:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Emacs Dev \[emacs-devel\]" To: alinsoar@voila.fr Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 12 15:28:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KStv9-0008Cg-Ri for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:28:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41708 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KStuC-0004NE-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:27:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KStrX-0001Ym-Bo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:24:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KStrW-0001Xi-Ro for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36127 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KStrW-0001XN-81 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:50950) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KStrV-0002zh-Ts for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:62761 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KStrT-0004Ox-4h; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:24:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <663766.3592561218546669709.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080811-0, 2008-08-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KStrT-0004Ox-4h. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KStrT-0004Ox-4h 49cd11a66083728161cfb9b9a74acd26 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102327 Archived-At: A Soare wrote: > >> A Soare wrote: >>>> Windows hardly matters anymore. >>>> >>>> Windows is not growing much in functionality... >>>> >>>> Windows is important as a problem as long as it is non-free and >>>> considerable numbers of people keep using it. It is clear that when >>>> you say it "hardly matters" you are thinking of some other criterion. >>> I have never known in all my life a person using windows that thought to use emacs. All persons that I knew and wanted to (learn lisp)/(use emacs) used linux or MAC OSX. >>> >>> So a considerable number of peuple use Windows, but (almost) never Emacs in Windows. >> >> What is your thoughts about that? Is there something to learn from it? >> Is there something to investigate? >> > > Quite so! Investing energy to develop it under Windows is (almost) loss of energy! Yes, I understood that this is what you meant. But in what way did you reach this conclusion? > I know a few cases of _good_ programmers at google, microsoft, etc that never thought to use emacs. > > The reason: Windows has nicer environments to write C++, Delphi, C# etc. (that is what they told me). Then how can it be good to develop Emacs under any operating system? > That is what peuple does not like : to make effort to understand something that they can have without energy. Don't you think that those programmers did invest quite a lot of effort in understanding the software they are using now? > Emacs and Linux is used just by peuple that wants to understand how things work. Do you say that there is no use for Emacs? > Windows is used by peuple that want to gain money and to arrive quiqkly at their purpose. Do you say that using Emacs makes it take long time to do things? >>>From all my experience (all what I saw), windows interface for emacs is as important as the file ./etc/sex.6 in emacs' sources. Are you saying that this is the only part of Emacs that we should keep ;-)