From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#631: the M- notation suggestion Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:30:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4891F6BC.8010505@gmail.com> References: Reply-To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , 631@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217526599 7549 80.91.229.12 (31 Jul 2008 17:49:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xah lee , bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org, 631@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 31 19:50:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOcIY-0002S4-Lv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:50:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41902 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOcHe-0007d8-7u for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:49:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOcFK-0005Ix-HJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:47:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOcFJ-0005I7-J2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:47:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57368 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOcFJ-0005Hj-5G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:47:25 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:45513) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOcFI-0008KS-OU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:47:25 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6VHlLxm010518; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:47:21 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6VHe68q008222; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:40:06 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:40:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 631 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 631-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B631.12175254536642 (code B ref 631); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:40:06 +0000 Original-Received: (at 631) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 31 Jul 2008 17:30:53 +0000 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6VHUndG006636 for <631@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:30:51 -0700 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:64379 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KObzE-0002Iy-9T; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:30:49 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080731-0, 2008-07-31), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KObzE-0002Iy-9T. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KObzE-0002Iy-9T ee51458f04af01c2a56af6efb1a9e229 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:47:26 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:18940 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman wrote: > Using a notation that contains the actual label on keyboard's keys is > much easier to understand. A beginning computer user, can read the > ?Ctrl+?key?? notation and figure out which keys to press. > > There is some validity in that argument. > > For the Emacs Manual I have a feeling this would be very wasteful. > But maybe it would be ok for some of the help commands, maybe even for > all of them. Please put this on the TODO list. I think both the menus and the help command should reflect the actual keyboard labeling (for a standard keyboard on the used OS).