From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32643: 26; minor-mode variables Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <488f04e4-8389-459b-b3c7-603e48bed452@default> References: <<3ce888af-aa04-4dd2-99b5-0882e37024f3@default> > <<494224f1-815f-4fb4-a779-75e243b519f0@default>> <<83sh2mwv8w.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536245412 28963 195.159.176.226 (6 Sep 2018 14:50:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32643@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 06 16:50:07 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxvbi-0007Qs-7f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:51:12 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w86EpBbm022072; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:51:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83sh2mwv8w.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4732.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9007 signatures=668708 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1809060146 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:150081 Archived-At: > Most probably, historical accidents. But even finding that out is a > non-trivial amount of work. `auto-fill-mode' has already been identified. Let this bug report serve (at least) to ask that Emacs set an `auto-fill-mode' mode variable. > > (The bug report also asks whether it's a bug for a mode not to have > > a variable, and suggests that it is. And if it's not, the report asks t= hat > > the Elisp manual give some guidance about when a mode should > > not or need not have a variable.) >=20 > I think the manual already does what you want, it just doesn't say > this is a bug (because it isn't, IMO). The manual says nothing, AFAICT, that provides guidance about when a mode should not or need not have a variable. Based on what it does say, each mode "should" have a variable. Is that your point? In that case, perhaps we should remove the text about some existing modes not respecting this "should" - especially if that is only by historical accident. Keeping the text suggests that there is some good reason why some modes do not have variables. And since a mode not having a variable is likely only an accident,=20 presumably such a mode "should" be fixed, if identified. Your point is presumably that there is no need to go searching for such problems to fix, and it's not the end of the world if some such modes exist. With that I agree. Arguing about whether non-respect by Emacs code of some Emacs convention is a "bug" is a bit like arguing about the number of angels that can fit on a pinhead (poor Zippy!). That's not the point of this bug report. I don't care whether you call it a bug or "non-respect of the convention" or an enhancement request.