From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:32:42 +0200 Message-ID: <488AFD4A.9030808@gmail.com> References: <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> <20080724080727.GA3448@muc.de> <863alzd1mi.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20080726080304.GA1419@muc.de> <85myk53u86.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <488AECE2.9090705@gmail.com> <85fxpx3rfo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <488AF47E.8080604@gmail.com> <85bq0l3q9s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217068398 13294 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 10:33:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 12:34:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMh6B-0005DI-G5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:34:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37702 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMh5H-0004UM-Ik for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:33:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMh5A-0004SS-1L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:33:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMh58-0004RG-Ac for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:32:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47554 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMh57-0004R3-Uw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:32:58 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:39011) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMh4w-0008S9-0p; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:32:46 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:63205 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KMh4t-0002E6-5i; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:32:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <85bq0l3q9s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080725-1, 2008-07-25), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KMh4t-0002E6-5i. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KMh4t-0002E6-5i 3a7a96a50670ffd8cdecb4a15e241245 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101514 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > >> David Kastrup wrote: >>>> I think there is a good bit of psychology involved there because I >>>> believe you can not generally come to that conclusion without a >>>> certain view of how people decide what to do. >>> I am not interested in applying psychology to feel comfortable with an >>> undesirable situation. That may be fine as long as the situation can't >>> be changed. >> I can't understand why you are not. Don't you think it can help to >> make things better? > > No, I don't think applying psychology to feel comfortable with an > undesirable situation will help to make things better. Sorry for beeing unclear. I did not mean "applying psychology to feel comfortable". I wanted to point to away of thinking about the situation. A way to broaden the thinking. Any conclusions from that way of looking upon the situation must still be your own, of course. Thanks for the answer. > There may be situations where temporarily scaling down the size of a > problem prevents capitulation and paralysis. But there is a difference > between "I won't be able to finish this on my own, but I'll just start > anyway" and "I won't be able to finish this on my own, so I'll pretend > it is not worth doing".