From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:55:10 +0200 Message-ID: <488AF47E.8080604@gmail.com> References: <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> <20080724080727.GA3448@muc.de> <863alzd1mi.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20080726080304.GA1419@muc.de> <85myk53u86.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <488AECE2.9090705@gmail.com> <85fxpx3rfo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217066826 9535 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 10:07:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 12:07:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMggp-0006uK-4W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:07:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35873 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMgfv-0002H4-Dr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:06:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMgUz-00044Z-0s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:55:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMgUt-00042q-1O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:55:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37393 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMgUr-00042R-CK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:55:29 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:54741) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMgUb-0002B8-FM; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:63055 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KMgUZ-0002zZ-7s; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:55:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <85fxpx3rfo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080725-1, 2008-07-25), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KMgUZ-0002zZ-7s. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KMgUZ-0002zZ-7s ed94b0d8c3820cd5a30a05a741514a5d X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101510 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: >> I think there is a good bit of psychology involved there because I >> believe you can not generally come to that conclusion without a >> certain view of how people decide what to do. > > I am not interested in applying psychology to feel comfortable with an > undesirable situation. That may be fine as long as the situation can't > be changed. I can't understand why you are not. Don't you think it can help to make things better? >> What is propably less well know is that psychological experiments and >> thinking points to that people who are what they call authoritarian in >> their view of other people more often believe that pressure is the >> (only) way to get people to do things. >> >> Perhaps it is easy to be lead to the conclusion that pressure is >> necessary. For some actions it is but are the actions and thinking we >> want really of this type? > > If you consider it as _pressure_ if I voice my opinion, and want to > silence me, I do not think so. I wonder why you get that impression. Can you please tell me? > So we might as well stop. The world will become neither simpler nor > more complex by us agreeing or disagreeing. Yes, but I would be glad if you answered the question above (either here or private). I am interested in your answers because I think they matters.