From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:49:40 +0200 Message-ID: <488AE524.101@gmail.com> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87myk828zm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87y73rzd9b.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87hcadqth3.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87d4l19hde.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217062243 31451 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 08:50:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 10:51:32 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMfUx-0004p6-Pu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:51:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44430 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMfU3-0001k6-VS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:50:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMfTM-0001jl-2m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:49:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMfTK-0001jN-RR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:49:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53438 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMfTK-0001jK-KQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:49:50 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:37489) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMfTK-0001GJ-UR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:49:51 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:61925 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KMfTH-0003fK-8v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:49:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87d4l19hde.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080725-1, 2008-07-25), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KMfTH-0003fK-8v. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KMfTH-0003fK-8v f90d5e065a1c63243a547ed434c39063 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55955 Archived-At: Tim X wrote: >>> I think the real source of issues regarding terminology is actually more >>> a reflection of laziness. >> >> It might be true in some cases, but please be careful when using such >> statements. The laziness may equally well be in your side in that you do >> not try to understand all details well enough when it comes to why some >> things matter. >> > and you tell me to be careful about statements! Sorry, but I am not perfect at that. Some things are a bit difficult to express. > You know nothing of me Yes, I no know more than what I have been reading from you here. > For the record, my comment on laziness is based on the observation that > > 1. The majority of people who I've assisted, either directly or via > forums like this newsgroup have, when asked, admitted they have not read > the manual or run the tutorial because they couldn't be bothered or > don't like reading manuals. That to me is essentially laziness - they > would rather send a question to this group than bother doing the work to > find out for themselves. It is my experience too, but my conclusion is different. In some cases I have found it to be laziness, but in other cases it is more of constructive critic - expressed in a way that some people might find a bit extreme.