From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:33:41 +0200 Message-ID: <488A70E5.4010604@gmail.com> References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217032461 7106 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 00:34:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Xah Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 02:35:10 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMXkb-00019h-5P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:35:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55887 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMXjh-000268-Ed for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:34:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMXjP-00025b-1e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:33:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMXjN-00024t-CQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:33:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47456 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMXjN-00024c-7B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:33:53 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:58343) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMXjM-0004eK-RB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:33:53 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:60185 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KMXjL-00071u-7F; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:33:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080725-1, 2008-07-25), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KMXjL-00071u-7F. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KMXjL-00071u-7F 7242f9590f59d1c8730fa7a456c6d329 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55941 Archived-At: Xah wrote: > On Jul 25, 9:41 am, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:55:29 -0700 (PDT)Xah wrote: >> >> X> But you can run it by typing Alt+x shell-command (shortcut Alt+x !) >> >> Please note that Alt is not the preferred prefix name for Emacs >> purposes. It's Meta, abbreviated M (e.g. M-x), for two reasons: >> >> 1) Meta can be mapped to keys other than Alt >> >> 2) Meta can be invoked with ESC as well, which is very handy in a >> terminal session (I actually use ESC all the time even in a graphical >> session) >> >> Ted > > Thanks for the info, i think it's good to know. > > Here're some reason i think emacs should adopt the Alt+‹key› or > Alt-‹key› notation throughout its documentation. Why should the documentation call Meta for Alt when it is not Alt? In for example the patched version of Emacs+EmacsW32 it is possible to use left and/or right windows keys as Meta. I guess a lot of people do that. The advantage is that you can use the menus the same way as you are used to in other w32 programs. I think it is much better to clearly tell new users the distinction. They will need to know it at least on w32 from the beginning, cause otherwise they will get confused by that the menus does not work (if they use Alt as Meta).