From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:08:54 -0700 Message-ID: <48897C06.1060008@emf.net> References: <200807231817.m6NIHnp31261@f7.net> <4887920D.1070100@emf.net> <877ibb953h.fsf@comm.utoronto.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216966820 30515 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2008 06:20:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Gilaras Drakeson To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 25 08:21:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMGfr-0007bE-14 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:21:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50240 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMGex-0006D3-A2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:20:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMGes-0006Cj-Ly for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMGeq-0006CT-Ta for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37906 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMGeq-0006CQ-Or for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:20:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:34199) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMGel-0007O1-Hu; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMGej-0003lM-Rq; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:19:58 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.114.9] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 35603574; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:19:44 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101451 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman wrote: > the build system is a vital component in the software distribution (and > it is even more crucial for free software). Yet it is in the sad state > that we have today. > > I think the main reason our configuration and build methods > are so clumsy is that they were designed to run on lots of different > systems using only the programs we could expect to be available on them. > I agree. It's a mistake worth correcting that more than (say) 10 GNU programs rely on a system designed with those constraints. (Then those "10" (or so) can be used, exclusively, to bootstrap all of the rest of GNU user-space.). -t