From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:26:12 +0200 Message-ID: <48890184.40207@gmail.com> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> <4887C77C.2090109@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216938408 31684 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 22:26:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lord@emf.net, drobinow@gmail.com, hannes@saeurebad.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, miles@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 25 00:27:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KM9HW-0007qq-2h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:27:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39074 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM9Gc-0000wT-J2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:26:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM9GY-0000wO-BT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:26:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM9GU-0000wC-PR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:26:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52108 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM9GU-0000w9-HD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:26:26 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:55682) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KM9GO-0002VX-2L; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:26:20 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:62647 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KM9GM-0001mp-7d; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:26:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080724-1, 2008-07-24), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KM9GM-0001mp-7d. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KM9GM-0001mp-7d 7770738c38015f3f8f9063f720c2fb23 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101432 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman wrote: > Developers programs might not have an immediate effect, but I believe > the long time aid might be much larger. > > I see no reason to think such an effect exists. Meanwhile, people > have told me that the fact that Emacs runs on Windows undercut their > ability to insist on running GNU/Linux at work. That is a bad effect of course, but I wonder how much impact it really has. > Without some sort of demonstration I decline to believe that this > helps us. It might be difficult to demonstrate but what I am thinking is that if more people knows the tools for developing software on/for free system they can contribute on their free time. (And in many cases bring experience with them from non-free systems.) One way to look into this question is perhaps to ask people developing software that runs on free systems where they have learned it and if it has been any help to them that these tools also runs on non-free systems. At the same time one can ask whether they have got any valuable ideas for development when meeting both free and non-free system/software. Because such encounters will be more frequent if free software tools also runs on non-free systems.