From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:06:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4887C77C.2090109@gmail.com> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216858028 15356 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 00:07:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lord@emf.net, drobinow@gmail.com, hannes@saeurebad.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, miles@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 24 02:07:56 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLoNA-0006nD-BC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:07:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51737 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLoMG-0006iI-RX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:07:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLoMC-0006hz-BK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:06:56 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLoMB-0006hV-2z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:06:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36873 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLoMA-0006hP-Rs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:06:54 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:46182) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLoLz-000085-OL; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:62289 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KLoLx-0004l7-7t; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:06:41 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080723-1, 2008-07-23), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KLoLx-0004l7-7t. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KLoLx-0004l7-7t 3bff1c3ccaddb3834e0cfaa04f9c78fd X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101347 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman wrote: > IF making free programs working on > windows helps promote GNU/Linux (or Herd) is not that good? > > Yes, but we can't assume in general that that is the case. For a few > programs, such as OpenOffice and Firefox, the fact that they run on > Windows seems to be a signficant aid to migration to GNU/Linux. But I > don't see that this is true for other free programs. The programs you mention are end user programs. That they are (or seem to be) an aid is perhaps rather easy to detect since the effect is rather immediate. Developers programs might not have an immediate effect, but I believe the long time aid might be much larger. This effect is more difficult to detect since it is a long time effect. And even so since a lot of things must cooperate before user sees the effect. It looks to me that the Mozilla people have drawn a similar conclusion since they offer their own portable platform for development (XUL).