From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: ams@gnu.org
Cc: handa@m17n.org, lekktu@gmail.com, tzz@lifelogs.com,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: inputting characters by hexadigit
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:08:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48867663.7070001@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1KLOcS-0004TX-Uq@fencepost.gnu.org>
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> What about C-\ and having a input method (maybe that already exists?),
The ucs input method _does_ exist. However, especially if you're already
using some other input method, it's a bit of a pain to switch to ucs and
back again just for the odd character. It needs a little expansion (it
only covers the BMP (4-hexit codes) and maybe should handle unicode
names if that's now legally feasible)
Er. Though I guess I should confess that I tend to have the ucs IM a C-\
away - I tend to use system-level input methods (scim/skim) for languages...
M-x ucs-insert (or M-x uc TAB RET) is shorter than switching input
method with C-x RET C-\ ucs RET , though presently doesn't allow C-u for
repetition, which is annoying (though that's presumably easily fixed).
> Inserting unicode in hex cannot be _that_ common that it requires a
> short keybinding...
If you're doing a lot of i18n/m17n/l10n work it can just be handy - and
you're quite likely to be in another input method, too, so the ucs input
method is less handy.
[following is mostly just thread recap...]
☆ The fact remains, there is already an existing short-keybinding
facility in emacs for numeric char code entry ‽ - C-q supports entering
by numeric code. It used to be okay on unibyte emacs , but is a bit
unsuitable for unicode emacs, at least with its default octal (icky
octal) radix. Despite that, N.B., _it already works for entering
unicode_, except that right now, the existing facility does the wrong
thing for codes between #o240 and #o377. At the very least, that's a
bug that needs to be resolved, even if nothing else changes as a result
of this thread...
The facility does damage the "purity" of C-q - If the real point of C-q
is to literally insert the next keypress, it obviously blocks that for
0-7 or 0-9 or 0-9a-fA-F depending on your setting of
read-quoted-char-radix. But if it were to be dropped from C-q, then
it'd be IMO reasonable for people to expect a similarly easy alternative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input
Emacs _clashes with_ the short keybinding for unicode input typical on
gtk/GNOME desktops - C-s-U (which emacs can't treat as different to
C-u in general due to terminal restrictions).
(... Hmm. Is M-+ taken? would be a bit like the windoze keybinding...)
It's one thing for emacs to provide different short keybindings for
typically-short-keybinding-accessible functionality (as in C-w/M-w/C-y
vs. C-x/C-c/C-v), it's another to not provide a short keybinding at all...
[cheap shot] Vim provides quite a short keybinding - C-v u - for it.
There is some fondness for unicode symbols in some circles, and some
people DO just learn off a few hex codes. I myself tend to do ☘
/ ☠ / ☢ / ☺ / ♬ etc. from memory (or at least remember such symbols
are mostly blocks #x2600 #x2700 ...)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-23 0:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-15 17:41 describe-char should display the character's Unicode name Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-15 20:42 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-16 2:29 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-17 0:35 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-17 1:26 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-17 14:09 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-17 23:40 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-18 0:10 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-18 0:47 ` inputting characters by hexadigit Kenichi Handa
2008-07-18 0:54 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-18 1:01 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-18 4:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-18 12:39 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-18 16:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-18 17:33 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-18 18:08 ` James Cloos
2008-07-18 18:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-18 21:29 ` James Cloos
2008-07-19 0:30 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-21 1:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-21 5:35 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-22 22:59 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-22 23:17 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 23:29 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-29 16:07 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-29 18:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-19 5:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-07-19 0:13 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-19 0:29 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-19 0:27 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-20 20:28 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-21 1:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-21 5:07 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-21 6:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-21 9:01 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-21 11:04 ` Johan Bockgård
2008-07-21 11:11 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-21 14:20 ` Johan Bockgård
2008-07-21 14:24 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-21 14:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-21 14:37 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-21 19:25 ` James Cloos
2008-07-21 19:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-21 20:23 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-21 20:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-21 21:49 ` Johan Bockgård
2008-07-21 22:03 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-21 23:37 ` Johan Bockgård
2008-07-22 1:26 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-22 22:52 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-21 20:31 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-21 20:36 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-21 20:43 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-21 20:50 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-21 21:12 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-21 21:03 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-07-21 21:24 ` Drew Adams
2008-07-22 4:03 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-21 21:06 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-22 4:04 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-21 20:31 ` James Cloos
2008-07-21 21:11 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-21 23:43 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-22 4:06 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-21 16:54 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-21 17:04 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-21 6:16 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-22 0:51 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-22 7:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 8:33 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-22 10:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 12:26 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-22 12:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 12:35 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-22 16:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-22 16:54 ` Drew Adams
2008-07-22 20:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-07-22 22:55 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-23 0:08 ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2008-07-23 2:18 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-22 22:54 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-23 0:28 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-23 1:02 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-23 2:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-23 3:18 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-23 3:38 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-23 3:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-23 4:26 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-23 19:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-23 20:26 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-23 9:03 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-23 10:15 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-23 14:27 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-23 14:58 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-22 14:06 ` Drew Adams
2008-07-23 13:01 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-23 13:05 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-23 13:44 ` Drew Adams
2008-07-23 14:27 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-23 19:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-23 22:32 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-24 2:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-29 15:51 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-29 17:33 ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-29 17:51 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-29 19:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-29 20:51 ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-30 15:29 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-31 19:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-18 0:38 ` describe-char should display the character's Unicode name Kenichi Handa
2008-07-18 0:58 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-18 13:33 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-18 13:53 ` Drew Adams
2008-07-18 14:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-18 15:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-19 0:45 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-21 16:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-21 16:35 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-21 16:58 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-07-22 22:57 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-23 14:47 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-23 22:31 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-23 22:52 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 13:29 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-24 13:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2008-07-24 15:27 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-24 15:34 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-25 0:41 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-25 2:24 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-19 0:35 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-19 1:11 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-20 0:29 ` inputting characters by hexadigit Juri Linkov
2008-07-20 1:23 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-20 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-23 14:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-23 19:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-23 20:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-24 2:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-24 13:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-24 13:40 ` Lennart Borgman
2008-07-24 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-24 15:25 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-24 16:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-24 17:00 ` Drew Adams
2008-07-24 18:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-24 18:37 ` Drew Adams
2008-07-28 13:56 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-24 20:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-24 20:27 ` Drew Adams
2008-07-24 20:37 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 21:30 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 21:59 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-28 14:00 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-23 22:35 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-23 23:00 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 2:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-25 0:52 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-24 13:24 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-24 15:55 ` Drew Adams
2008-07-19 0:35 ` describe-char should display the character's Unicode name Juri Linkov
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