From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:52:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4885D7FE.5050300@gmail.com> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216731231 29432 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 12:53:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 14:54:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLHNd-0005Fv-AV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:54:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38220 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLHMk-0004dk-5J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:53:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLHLs-00041e-R0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:52:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLHLr-000418-Bh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:52:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35636 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLHLr-000413-69 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:52:23 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:49410) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLHLq-0007dS-JM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:52:22 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:64605 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KLHLp-0000a2-3m; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:52:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080722-0, 2008-07-22), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KLHLp-0000a2-3m. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KLHLp-0000a2-3m c4f02a276df67d03451c2c8d43a5af8a X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55796 Archived-At: Miles Bader wrote: > "Juanma Barranquero" writes: >>> And why should "shortcut" be more fitting than "keybinding"? >> I don't know. I'm not even defending the idea that "shortcut" is more >> fitting. If anything, I'm defending the idea that "keybinding" is not >> very good, not because of any intrinsic quality or defect of the term >> "keybinding" > > It's not that "keybinding" is somehow extra good, it's that "shortcut" > is unusually bad. > > The name "shortcut" in most apps carries the implication that it's > somehow an unusual method of invoking something, which is only used in > rare circumstances for the absolute most heavily used commands (in these > apps, the "usual" method is a menu entry). This is not true in emacs -- > keybindings are heavily used, and are "normal". Yes, the definition of "key binding" in Emacs is in itself quite good, but that does not help new users that are used to the word "shortcut" for similar things in other programs. At least it did not help me.