From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:26:12 +0200 Message-ID: <488599A4.4020201@gmail.com> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884DA4F.20203@gmail.com> <8763qzxcfd.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884E551.3050304@gmail.com> <86fxq2j1af.fsf@timbral.net> <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216715229 9282 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 08:27:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Evans Winner , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 10:27:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLDDx-0002Kq-MP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:27:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55349 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLDD4-0008LU-D9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:27:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLDCW-00086l-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:26:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLDCS-00082m-KB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:26:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42767 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLDCS-00082g-BH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:26:24 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]:33344) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLDCN-0004eM-LZ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:26:20 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-151-176.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.176]:60981 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KLDCL-0003sp-9a; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:26:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080722-0, 2008-07-22), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.176 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KLDCL-0003sp-9a. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KLDCL-0003sp-9a 6714fe4e576bc088a9435e8268ef11ee X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101173 Archived-At: Jason Rumney wrote: > Evans Winner wrote: >> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" >> writes: >> >> I presented (in this thread I believe) some of my >> arguments about why to care about w32 too in my reply to >> RMS about a portable mini-bash. I might be wrong, my >> arguments might be bad, but I tried to give some >> arguments. >> >> I don't know much about it, but isn't that what MinGW is >> supposed to provide? > > I think Lennart's suggestion is about a having a small POSIX shell that > can be bundled with Emacs (and other programs) to use on systems that do > not have a POSIX shell by default. MinGW/MSYS is an external dependency > which means an extra thing to go wrong for users. Yes. > I do think this idea presents a chicken and egg problem though - the > shell is needed by configure, but will not be available until it has > been built by a bootstrap. Yes, but that can be worked around by saying there is an extra step needed. Either downloading a binary or using a platform dependent way of building that mini-bash. (Most users will probably download it.)