From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:16:59 +0100 Message-ID: <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884DA4F.20203@gmail.com> <8763qzxcfd.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884E551.3050304@gmail.com> <86fxq2j1af.fsf@timbral.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216714771 7724 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 08:19:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Evans Winner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 10:20:19 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLD4b-0006oD-Lx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:18:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53098 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLD3h-0003Tv-GR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:17:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLD3a-0003T8-9p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:17:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLD3Y-0003SJ-9Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:17:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39237 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLD3Y-0003SG-0z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:17:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.1]:46241) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLD3X-0002sZ-QU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:17:11 -0400 Original-X-Trace: 60495844/mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-ACCEPTED/f2s-freedom2Surf-customers/83.67.23.108 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 83.67.23.108 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jasonr@gnu.org X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroEAOQzhUhTQxds/2dsb2JhbACBWq14 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,230,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="60495844" X-IP-Direction: IN Original-Received: from i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net (HELO wanchan.jasonrumney.net) ([83.67.23.108]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2008 09:17:10 +0100 Original-Received: from [192.168.249.27] (chiko.jasonrumney.net [192.168.249.27]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878E369; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:17:19 +0100 (BST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) In-Reply-To: <86fxq2j1af.fsf@timbral.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=8086879D X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101171 Archived-At: Evans Winner wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" > writes: > > I presented (in this thread I believe) some of my > arguments about why to care about w32 too in my reply to > RMS about a portable mini-bash. I might be wrong, my > arguments might be bad, but I tried to give some > arguments. > > I don't know much about it, but isn't that what MinGW is > supposed to provide? I think Lennart's suggestion is about a having a small POSIX shell that can be bundled with Emacs (and other programs) to use on systems that do not have a POSIX shell by default. MinGW/MSYS is an external dependency which means an extra thing to go wrong for users. I do think this idea presents a chicken and egg problem though - the shell is needed by configure, but will not be available until it has been built by a bootstrap.