From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summer of Code projects for GNU Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:27:45 -0700 Message-ID: <48842C61.5070509@emf.net> References: <18561.17568.707274.807120@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87tzejvo5d.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216618778 19387 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2008 05:39:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nick Roberts , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 21 07:40:25 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KKo8H-0006M9-EN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:40:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46513 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKo7O-0005uf-BJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:39:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKo7F-0005ss-6V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:39:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKo7C-0005rO-Em for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:39:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34813 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKo7C-0005rG-68 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:39:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]:55763) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKo7B-0003Mt-T0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:39:18 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.114.9] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 35348481; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:39:03 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: <87tzejvo5d.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101053 Archived-At: Chong Yidong wrote: > Nick Roberts writes: > > >> In the past Emacs has not been directly involved but, assuming that Google run >> a Summer of Code in 2009, I think that we should suggest some projects. It's >> still a long way off but successful projects appeared to be quite organised, >> e.g., >> >> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-soc.html >> >> At the moment, I'm just looking for some consensus. >> Are you sure the GNU project should be supporting GSoC? For their investment in the project, Google gets a lot of volunteer marketing, with people putting up posters at universities, press coverage, etc. Yet, they don't talk about free software but, rather, open source. And, in administering the project, they collect a lot of HR-type recruitment data, both demographic and individual, about the students. And, they pick the funded projects by fiat rather than accountably. And, they arguably underpay the host projects relative to the supervisory and reporting obligations they impose. And, Google is very much a proprietary software company with no signs of trying to change that. I think GNU (and FSF) should look at the past few years of GSoC, at the amounts of money spent on students and towards FSF, add that up, and say: "Hey, we appreciate support. But this process is, at best, inefficient. Your terms for getting that money is problematic. How about just giving us that money directly, instead, through one or more NPOs, earmarked for development? We don't want to encourage aspirants to your program to advertise for you gratis. We don't want to be obligated to report to you in those ways. We just want to advance software freedom and develop free software and we can do that much better if you just give us the money with fewer strings attached." -t >> For my part, I would like to suggest the migration of GDB in Emacs from >> annotations to fully using GDB/MI and perhaps integration with ECB. I have >> quite clear ideas about how to do that and I am willing to do the mentoring. >> >> But it would be good to have other suggestions, which would require mentoring, >> too. >> > > Good idea. > > One project that I can think of is a rewrite or revamp of the > customization code. > > > >