bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in Windows

bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in Windows

[Vesa Suontama]

Hi,

thanks for clarification. It seems now that I was not testing
emacsclient at all, since now when I test it it works. I am very sorry
for misleading bug report.

I was not aware that emacsclientw does not wait, and thought that the
only difference there is that emacsclientw is compiled as windows
binary, which does not create (or use) a console.

This is quite sorry state of affairs, that windows needs to have
two emacsclient versions. (At least when the difference is not that
well or at all explained IMHO).

It would be interesting to know why you just cannot have one
emacsclient for windows? Would it be too complex to go around the
issue of having two emacsclient versions the same way as MS does (Yes,
I know this is insane, but look many MS utilities e.g. devenv).

It works like this: have emacsclient.com and emacsclient.exe, where
new emacsclient.exe is the old emacsclientw.exe, and emacsclient.com
is just a wrapper that calls the emacsclient and waits for it to
finish (e.g. by using a named event, which emacsclient.com waits).

Console programs use .com version by default (when only "emacsclient"
is called), and win32 uses .exe. We cannot directly rename
emacsclient.exe to emacsclient.com because there is a restriction that
com files can only be less than 64 kb.

The other way around could be to use "AttachConsole" etc. from
emacsclientw (and rename it to emacsclient), but all this is just guessing
as I do not know the real reason for emacsclientw.

I would like to hear from you, but understand if you are too busy.

Thanks for your help anyway.

BR,

Vesa

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) [mailto:lennart.borgman@gmail.com]
> Sent: 14. heinäkuuta 2008 18:39
> To: Vesa Suontama; 549@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
> Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in
> Windows
>
> Vesa Suontama wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a Windows Vista SP1, and when using emacsclient or
> emacsclientw,
> > they always return immediately with return value 1, and do not wait
> > making it useless as EDITOR for command line utilities which should
> wait.
> >
> > I use the emacsclient from cmd.exe and not from cygwin. I also
> started
> > emacs with –q, and started server manually after that, so no startup
> > file should be causing this.
> >
> > Is this a known issue?
> >
> > Otherwise I love emacs :)
> >
> > Vesa
> >
> > In GNU Emacs 22.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.0.6001)
> >
> >  of 2008-03-26 on RELEASE
> >
> > Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.0.6001
>
>
> I do not have Emacs 22 here. However I just tested with CVS Emacs 23,
> both unpatched and the patched version that comes with Emacs+EmacsW32.
> I
> saw no problem, both emacsclient and emacsclientw waited as expected.
>
> Some notes:
>
> - Please use -Q (uppercase), not -q (lowercase). -q will still run
> site-start.el
>
> - If you test from a console window (running cmd.exe) then please note
> that emacsclientw can not make cmd.exe wait for it. I can't remember
> the
> technical terms for it but w here stands for "window, GUI". Program
> linked as GUI applications do not use a console window (by default).
> They can not write to a console and if started from a console the
> console will not wait for them.

bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in Windows

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Vesa Suontama wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> thanks for clarification. It seems now that I was not testing
> emacsclient at all, since now when I test it it works. I am very sorry
> for misleading bug report.
> 
> I was not aware that emacsclientw does not wait, and thought that the
> only difference there is that emacsclientw is compiled as windows
> binary, which does not create (or use) a console.

Just to not confuse any readers:
emacsclientw.exe does wait. You can see it in Window Task Manager. 
However the console window does not wait for emacsclientw.exe since it 
is not a console app.

> This is quite sorry state of affairs, that windows needs to have
> two emacsclient versions. (At least when the difference is not that
> well or at all explained IMHO).

You can always use emacsclient.exe if you want to. The drawback is that 
you will see an extra console window for each invocation of it.

> It would be interesting to know why you just cannot have one
> emacsclient for windows? Would it be too complex to go around the
> issue of having two emacsclient versions the same way as MS does (Yes,
> I know this is insane, but look many MS utilities e.g. devenv).
> 
> It works like this: have emacsclient.com and emacsclient.exe, where
> new emacsclient.exe is the old emacsclientw.exe, and emacsclient.com
> is just a wrapper that calls the emacsclient and waits for it to
> finish (e.g. by using a named event, which emacsclient.com waits).

Please try to write some code for this so we can test it.

> Console programs use .com version by default (when only "emacsclient"
> is called), and win32 uses .exe. We cannot directly rename
> emacsclient.exe to emacsclient.com because there is a restriction that
> com files can only be less than 64 kb.
> 
> The other way around could be to use "AttachConsole" etc. from
> emacsclientw (and rename it to emacsclient), but all this is just guessing
> as I do not know the real reason for emacsclientw.

If you know how to do this then please try writing some code for that so 
we can test that. This may be a better solution than the one above.

> I would like to hear from you, but understand if you are too busy.
> 
> Thanks for your help anyway.
> 
> BR,
> 
> Vesa
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) [mailto:lennart.borgman@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 14. heinäkuuta 2008 18:39
>> To: Vesa Suontama; 549@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
>> Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> Subject: Re: bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in
>> Windows
>>
>> Vesa Suontama wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a Windows Vista SP1, and when using emacsclient or
>> emacsclientw,
>>> they always return immediately with return value 1, and do not wait
>>> making it useless as EDITOR for command line utilities which should
>> wait.
>>> I use the emacsclient from cmd.exe and not from cygwin. I also
>> started
>>> emacs with –q, and started server manually after that, so no startup
>>> file should be causing this.
>>>
>>> Is this a known issue?
>>>
>>> Otherwise I love emacs :)
>>>
>>> Vesa
>>>
>>> In GNU Emacs 22.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.0.6001)
>>>
>>>  of 2008-03-26 on RELEASE
>>>
>>> Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.0.6001
>>
>> I do not have Emacs 22 here. However I just tested with CVS Emacs 23,
>> both unpatched and the patched version that comes with Emacs+EmacsW32.
>> I
>> saw no problem, both emacsclient and emacsclientw waited as expected.
>>
>> Some notes:
>>
>> - Please use -Q (uppercase), not -q (lowercase). -q will still run
>> site-start.el
>>
>> - If you test from a console window (running cmd.exe) then please note
>> that emacsclientw can not make cmd.exe wait for it. I can't remember
>> the
>> technical terms for it but w here stands for "window, GUI". Program
>> linked as GUI applications do not use a console window (by default).
>> They can not write to a console and if started from a console the
>> console will not wait for them.
> 

bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in Windows

[Jason Rumney]

>> It works like this: have emacsclient.com and emacsclient.exe, where
>> new emacsclient.exe is the old emacsclientw.exe, and emacsclient.com
>> is just a wrapper that calls the emacsclient and waits for it to
>> finish (e.g. by using a named event, which emacsclient.com waits).
>>
>> The other way around could be to use "AttachConsole" etc. from
>> emacsclientw (and rename it to emacsclient), but all this is just
>> guessing
>> as I do not know the real reason for emacsclientw.

These might be good ideas if Emacs was a Windows program. But since
Emacs is a cross platform program, it is better to keep emacsclient the
same as other platforms, and have emacsclientw, which is built from
identical source code with different compiler switches, to work around
the deficiency in Windows where it insists on making a console visible
when you start a console program from the GUI.

bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in Windows

[Vesa Suontama]

Hi,

I checked the source code for emacsclient, and it is already full of
ifdefs for windows, one more will not do any harm :)

There could be a quite easy way to make emacsclientw to behave like
emacsclient.exe if it was started from command line, just by attaching
into the console of the calling process. If the process was not
started by console, then do not create console at all, right?

The problem is that I do not have the compilation environment set up.
If I run into too big problems with that, I may not have time.

Vesa


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>>> It works like this: have emacsclient.com and emacsclient.exe, where
>>> new emacsclient.exe is the old emacsclientw.exe, and emacsclient.com
>>> is just a wrapper that calls the emacsclient and waits for it to
>>> finish (e.g. by using a named event, which emacsclient.com waits).
>>>
>>> The other way around could be to use "AttachConsole" etc. from
>>> emacsclientw (and rename it to emacsclient), but all this is just
>>> guessing
>>> as I do not know the real reason for emacsclientw.
>
> These might be good ideas if Emacs was a Windows program. But since
> Emacs is a cross platform program, it is better to keep emacsclient the
> same as other platforms, and have emacsclientw, which is built from
> identical source code with different compiler switches, to work around
> the deficiency in Windows where it insists on making a console visible
> when you start a console program from the GUI.
>
>

bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in Windows

[Stefan Monnier]

reassign 549 emacs,w32
thanks

> I have a Windows Vista SP1, and when using emacsclient or emacsclientw, they

IIRC `emacsclientw' is not part of Emacs, but only of some derived
packages (EmacsW32, maybe?).  So maybe the problem is in those packages.

AFAIK `emacsclient' does wait for the editing to be done before
returning, so please try and reproduce your problem with a vanilla Emacs
(e.g. the one you can download from
http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/).


        Stefan

bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in Windows

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Stefan Monnier wrote:
> reassign 549 emacs,w32
> thanks
> 
>> I have a Windows Vista SP1, and when using emacsclient or emacsclientw, they
> 
> IIRC `emacsclientw' is not part of Emacs, but only of some derived
> packages (EmacsW32, maybe?).  So maybe the problem is in those packages.

emacsclientw is now also part of Emacs on w32. (Though the one that 
comes with Emacs+EmacsW32 is a bit different.)

> AFAIK `emacsclient' does wait for the editing to be done before
> returning, so please try and reproduce your problem with a vanilla Emacs
> (e.g. the one you can download from
> http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/).


Yes, that is the right thing to do whenever reporting a problem. 
(However the versions of emacsclient/w that comes with Emacs+EmacsW32 
also waits, so the problem is probably somewhere else.)

bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in Windows

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Vesa Suontama wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a Windows Vista SP1, and when using emacsclient or emacsclientw, 
> they always return immediately with return value 1, and do not wait 
> making it useless as EDITOR for command line utilities which should wait.
> 
> I use the emacsclient from cmd.exe and not from cygwin. I also started 
> emacs with –q, and started server manually after that, so no startup 
> file should be causing this.
> 
> Is this a known issue?
> 
> Otherwise I love emacs :)
> 
> Vesa
> 
> In GNU Emacs 22.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.0.6001)
> 
>  of 2008-03-26 on RELEASE
> 
> Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.0.6001


I do not have Emacs 22 here. However I just tested with CVS Emacs 23, 
both unpatched and the patched version that comes with Emacs+EmacsW32. I 
saw no problem, both emacsclient and emacsclientw waited as expected.

Some notes:

- Please use -Q (uppercase), not -q (lowercase). -q will still run 
site-start.el

- If you test from a console window (running cmd.exe) then please note 
that emacsclientw can not make cmd.exe wait for it. I can't remember the 
technical terms for it but w here stands for "window, GUI". Program 
linked as GUI applications do not use a console window (by default). 
They can not write to a console and if started from a console the 
console will not wait for them.

bug#549: emacsclient or emacsclientw not waiting in Windows

[Vesa Suontama]

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Hi,

I have a Windows Vista SP1, and when using emacsclient or emacsclientw, they
always return immediately with return value 1, and do not wait making it
useless as EDITOR for command line utilities which should wait. 

I use the emacsclient from cmd.exe and not from cygwin. I also started emacs
with -q, and started server manually after that, so no startup file should
be causing this. 

Is this a known issue? 

Otherwise I love emacs :)

Vesa

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