From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:54:07 +0200 Message-ID: <487C579F.3020800@gmail.com> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216108490 23329 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2008 07:54:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard M Stallman , drobinow@gmail.com To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 15 09:55:38 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIfNn-0006ty-9m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:55:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57854 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIfMv-0001ag-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIfMp-0001aA-24 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:54:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIfMn-0001ZM-7X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:54:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60715 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIfMm-0001ZJ-Un for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:54:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:46264) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIfMi-0001V7-T3; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:54:29 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIfMi-0005nM-3n; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:54:28 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-145-59.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.145.59]:62911 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KIfMe-0002E7-5M; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:54:24 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080712-0, 2008-07-12), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.145.59 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KIfMe-0002E7-5M. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KIfMe-0002E7-5M 1e1b3831808bf5dabcb432f1ac5513c3 X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100725 Archived-At: Thomas Lord wrote: > The most important thing in such a large effort as a complete system > is the standards: standards for coding, for documentation, for > source code management, for configuration, build, install, patching and > rebuild/reinstall, and uninstall. Yes, standards is the key to success. There are probably other areas for standards that could be mentioned too. One could for example think about OpenOffice and the struggle to implement an open standard for word processors. I find it hard to imagine that GNU/Linux will not be dominating when there are (in a bright future) adequate standards. Before that time I find it hard to believe that GNU/Linux can dominate. This is because standards makes it much easier to build on the work of others - and the idea of doing that is at the bottom of GNU/Linux IMO.