From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:48:43 +0200 Message-ID: <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> References: <36366a980807091202rd3b6521jc9fa45d321bc9d37@mail.gmail.com> <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215985759 24365 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2008 21:49:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , David Robinow , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 13 23:50:05 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KI9SH-0006kR-5E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:50:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41965 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KI9RO-00047X-Rx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:49:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KI9RJ-00044F-JL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:49:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KI9RI-00042l-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:49:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56694 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KI9RI-00042f-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:49:04 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]:36068) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KI9RD-0001CX-H0; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:48:59 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-145-59.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.145.59]:60595 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KI9R9-0003Yq-6O; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:48:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080712-0, 2008-07-12), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.145.59 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KI9R9-0003Yq-6O. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1KI9R9-0003Yq-6O 41f096237d24a3c9dc21408a95e9bde7 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100652 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > For example, it took more than a day to get printing working (a standard > Linux-supported Samsung Laser printer on the parallel port). It involved > delving into the printing-HOWTO, and the kernel documentation, enabling > the port support, rebuilding the kernel, struggling through the > undocumented garbage that is (?was) CUPS, discarding that for a > documented printing system, selecting a printing (formatting) driver by > trial and error, ..... > > This was typical of most things - a long hard slog, fixing problem after > problem after problem, a typical problem taking between 2 and 6 hours to > resolve. > > And yes, at the end of that month GNU/Linux did indeed work > fantastically. From what you and others have written it looks like the weak point when installing GNU/Linux is the hardware. I wonder if this still is the case with Ubuntu? In that case, should not investigating hardware be something that is done as earlier as possible in the installation process - with a possibility for the user to just back off if the installation process finds hardware it does not recognize. I think that such a scheme could make GNU/Linux reputation in this regard much better.