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([2601:184:4180:66e7:54d6:bfeb:aa49:9d3b]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a17sm10629431qka.37.2020.04.27.07.26.42 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Apr 2020 07:26:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20200427140852.GA14552@tuxteam.de> Content-Language: en-GB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c; envelope-from=cpitclaudel@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x72c.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247927 Archived-At: On 27/04/2020 10.08, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:36:41AM -0400, Clément Pit-Claudel wrote: >> On 27/04/2020 07.31, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > >>> If you want Emacs to adapt in this point, it's on you to convince >>> Emacs people that this change is important. >> >> FWIW, I don't find the comparison to speaking German very convincing either. > > All metaphors suck in some way. My point is... I've seen all > too often this antipattern: some enters an existing culture > and shouts into the room "hey, why are you doing this in such > a weird way? Come do it this other way I propose, it's much > better!". Sometimes it takes an outsider to point out that the emperor has no clothes. Hopefully the Emacs culture is richer than our outdated terminology ^^ > I think if you want to convince people, you might want to go > a bit smarter about that :-) I'm not sure (besides, I'm not sure "smarter" is the right word here). Sometimes just asking "why" is enough to trigger interesting discussions. If we don't have a good answer to "why?" except "that how we've always done it", then maybe that's a sign that we're not doing it optimally. (for example, the other thread on Emacs looking square has yielded valuable new ideas).