From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: visualization of CVS commits Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:35:42 -0700 Message-ID: <486443EE.9080709@emf.net> References: <20080624.080153.252133130.wl@gnu.org> <87vdzyfx7s.fsf@gmail.com> <87lk0tfno1.fsf@gmail.com> <18532.14521.369949.349604@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214527792 3215 80.91.229.12 (27 Jun 2008 00:49:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul R , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 27 02:50:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KC2AZ-00065x-6E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:50:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59429 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KC29j-00057L-Fo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:49:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KC29f-00056w-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:49:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KC29d-00056j-7p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:49:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42853 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KC29d-00056g-3Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:49:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]:44887) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KC29Y-00063P-E3; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:49:28 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.114.9] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 33892825; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:49:13 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: <18532.14521.369949.349604@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99988 Archived-At: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Richard M Stallman writes: > > > if we release such a video in ogg theora, it will end up in > > flash on youtube the first day. > > > That is a big problem, and I have been thinking about how to take > > action on the issue. I'm thinking about making a short video > > about this issue to put at the front of all videos we release. > > Why not simply license it only for free formats? You're going to have > to use some kind of "invariant sections" clause in any case, or > somebody will just slice the anti-flash speech off when they rip > theora to flash. > In the early days of GNU proprietary software was used, of necessity, and supported to attract users, helpers, and attention. Emacs, GCC, GDB, and the early shellutils could only be "played" on proprietary platforms. GNU components ran first on proprietary platforms but there was a plausible plan to replace all proprietary components they depended on. The video situation isn't entirely comparable but not entirely different, either. One of the things missing is any obvious plan or effort to offer a free software alternative to youtube and the like. Saying "don't use that" amounts to saying "deprive yourself of access to that functionality and no, we've no plan to how you can get that functionality back." -t > > > >