From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: visualization of CVS commits Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:26:36 -0700 Message-ID: <4862D42C.7060401@emf.net> References: <20080624.080153.252133130.wl@gnu.org> <87vdzyfx7s.fsf@gmail.com> <858wwtle30.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85myl9jtzm.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000002070701010601010705" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214433657 32112 80.91.229.12 (25 Jun 2008 22:40:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Geoffrey Teale , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Cloos Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 26 00:41:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KBdg7-0002BI-5a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:41:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39830 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KBdfG-0000Bq-En for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:40:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KBdfA-0000BW-KE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:40:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KBdf6-0000Aj-Fa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:40:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49753 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KBdf6-0000Ag-BZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:40:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]:42038) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KBdf4-00074n-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:40:24 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.114.9] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 33800310; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:40:12 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99948 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000002070701010601010705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if anyone would volunteer to do the work or how RMS would feel about the idea but: Perhaps a sweet goal would be to put together a vid with a few seconds of some stock footage of RMS talking about key points, some title screens or captions linking to ogg formats and other FSF-related video, and (if possible) use free software tools to prepare a video that "youtube" can handle (which would be a flash/gnash vid). Most people who view it via youtube will be using non-free software and the problematic flash format but it would still be a bit subversive in that the links would still lead *some* to explore GNU and ogg and, such a posting would head off much of the impulse of people who don't care about software freedom per se to put it on youtube. -t James Cloos wrote: >>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: >>>>>> > > David> One problem that I see with Ogg Theora that it is intended, as > David> far as I know, for real-life movies. Just like JPEGS are rather > David> unsuitable for screen shots when compared to well-made PNGs.... > > The Beeb's Dirac might handle cartoon-style animation better than > Theora, also uses the Ogg container format and is Free. Their > implementation, schroedinger, is also Free Software. > > I believe Xiph has chosen to promote Dirac rather than continuing work > on the wavelet codec they were planning on writing (Tarkin?). > > Xiph also has a spec for MNG in an Ogg container, which primarily is > useful for combining audio -- such as Vorbis -- with the MNG. That > would certainly give sharp output for cartoonish bitmaps. > > I'm not aware of a good choice yet for moving vector art, though. > Synfig's format might qualify, but don't believe there is a player for > it other than the editor itself. > > -JimC > --------------000002070701010601010705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if anyone would volunteer to do the work
or how RMS would feel about the idea but:

Perhaps a sweet goal would be to put together a
vid with a few seconds of some stock footage of
RMS talking about key points,  some title screens
or captions linking to ogg formats and other
FSF-related video, and (if possible) use free software
tools to prepare a video that "youtube" can handle
(which would be a flash/gnash vid).

Most people who view it via youtube will be using
non-free software and the problematic flash format
but it would still be a bit subversive in that the links
would still lead *some* to explore GNU and ogg
and, such a posting would head off much of the impulse
of people who don't care about software freedom per
se to put it on youtube.

-t




James Cloos wrote: 
"David" == David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
            

David> One problem that I see with Ogg Theora that it is intended, as
David> far as I know, for real-life movies.  Just like JPEGS are rather
David> unsuitable for screen shots when compared to well-made PNGs....

The Beeb's Dirac might handle cartoon-style animation better than
Theora, also uses the Ogg container format and is Free.  Their
implementation, schroedinger, is also Free Software.

I believe Xiph has chosen to promote Dirac rather than continuing work
on the wavelet codec they were planning on writing (Tarkin?).

Xiph also has a spec for MNG in an Ogg container, which primarily is
useful for combining audio -- such as Vorbis -- with the MNG.  That
would certainly give sharp output for cartoonish bitmaps.

I'm not aware of a good choice yet for moving vector art, though.
Synfig's format might qualify, but don't believe there is a player for
it other than the editor itself.

-JimC

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