From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14305: 23.4; doc string of `frame-visible-p' Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:45:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <48388a2a-6553-44a4-8909-3f71caf83beb@default> References: <6F7AFD212BE544FC826C526BF6FD1416@us.oracle.com> <87ob2huars.fsf@building.gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392068837 14706 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2014 21:47:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 14305@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 10 22:47:23 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyhH-0001j3-ES for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:47:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58319 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyhH-0001f5-0y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:47:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47640) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyh5-0001de-DL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:47:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCygw-0003qM-N2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:47:11 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34060) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCygw-0003qI-Jr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:47:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCygw-0001Fi-Af for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:47:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14305.13920687724749 (code B ref 14305); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 21:46:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41955 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyg7-0001EW-P5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:46:12 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:43734) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCyg4-0001BP-VC for 14305@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:46:09 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1ALk21Q014496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:46:03 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s1ALk0YQ018346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:46:01 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1ALk0Fe005083; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:46:00 GMT In-Reply-To: <87ob2huars.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85320 Archived-At: > Well, are they the same thing? You tell me. What's the content of the message to users here? If they are the same, then add commas or otherwise make that clear. If not, and if it is important to mention both, then it becomes important to say what each is (what the difference is). > > The second is clearer, not requiring readers to notice the comma > > and recognize how it changes parsing of the sentence. > > > > And you can remove the quotes around "visible", "minimized", and > > "taskbar". >=20 > Even if a frame is obscured by other frames (and is therefore not > visible), I think this function will still say that it is "visible". > So I think the sneer quotes are correct here.=20 You might have a point there for "visible", but not for the other two, AFAICT. On some platforms a frame might be iconified on the desktop, and the icon thus hidden by another frame. But on other platforms the icons are in a task bar or whatever, not covered by another frame. And I see no reason whatsover for quotes, sneer or otherwise, around "taskbar". > Closing. Fixing is what should be done.