From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: edgar@openmail.cc Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 186, Issue 39 Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 07:24:10 +0000 Message-ID: <4819367ba7dabfec2a5c8724ac0e52bc@openmail.cc> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527319382 11089 195.159.176.226 (26 May 2018 07:23:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 07:23:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.4 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 26 09:22:58 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fMTXU-0002nj-7P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 09:22:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48041 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMTZb-0005hJ-Es for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 03:25:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54682) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMTZ8-0005hE-1b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 03:24:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMTZ4-0006Ay-34 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 03:24:38 -0400 Original-Received: from onethreetwo.vfemail.net ([199.16.11.132]:59240 helo=vfemail.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMTZ3-000692-R8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 03:24:33 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 40601 invoked by uid 89); 26 May 2018 07:24:29 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (HELO freequeue.vfemail.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 26 May 2018 07:24:29 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 40577 invoked by uid 89); 26 May 2018 07:24:12 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 40575, pid: 40576, t: 0.0020s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102-2.vfemail.net) (172.16.100.62) by FreeQueue with SMTP; 26 May 2018 07:24:12 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 16696 invoked by uid 89); 26 May 2018 07:24:00 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 16689, pid: 16692, t: 0.0444s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO www.vfemail.net) (ZWRnYXJAb3Blbm1haWwuY2M=@172.16.100.92) by 172.16.100.62 with ESMTPA; 26 May 2018 07:23:59 -0000 Original-Received: from L/H4O1ZoDAhMhwH+ML0QUSiru3K7PhUmSVqLWvBgxPs= (yIUbqGXIZudmKw6NF/2oYzt4ZvtOGh/J) by www.vfemail.net with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sat, 26 May 2018 02:24:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Sender: edgar@openmail.cc X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 8.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 199.16.11.132 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116860 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 15:19:29 -0400 > From: Stefan Monnier > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > >> We are talking about people's freedom. > > "Freedom" is a vague concept, applied in very subjective ways. Yep. That's what I meant before (a very human concept). Still, does not prevent us from trying to understand or define it. > It's not like you can increase freedom in some respect without reducing > it elsewhere. This sounded like a scratching blackboard. These are not my words: “once a {person} has seen that values depend upon {her or himself, (s)}he can will only one thing, and that is freedom as the foundation of all values.” Sartre is clear that freedom underpins every choice we make, and so (as our values are nothing more than our choices) freedom underpins every value we create. So when I choose I am not only choosing a particular action, I am also willing the freedom which enables me to make that choice in the first place. We can add in here Sartre’s view that whatever I choose myself I am also choosing as an image or ideal for the whole of humanity. Therefore, whenever I make any free choice of my own I am also willing freedom for the whole of humanity; I am universalising freedom. I am not a philosopher, but the guy who wrote it was. Now, we could ask Nietzsche or Hume what they think about this, and see the sparks from afar. :P > So "rational" doesn't have much to do with it. If trying to understand it or define it is not an option, I agree :) . > Stefan Thank you, Stefan. May be we could get together one of these days to discuss more about the subject. In the mean time, I want to express my appreciation to all of your comments. ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options!