From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ken Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: change in fill-paragraph Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:30:24 -0400 Message-ID: <480E6700.3090508@speakeasy.net> References: <76CdneycsJm7BpfVnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@sysmatrix.net> <480D8C50.6020401@speakeasy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208903497 16653 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2008 22:31:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:31:37 +0000 (UTC) To: GNU Emacs List Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 23 00:32:12 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JoR23-0005FJ-05 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:32:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoR1N-00007u-7O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:31:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoR0Q-0008JV-RO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:30:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoR0Q-0008J7-BC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:30:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoR0P-0008Iy-UL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:30:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net ([69.17.117.3]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JoR0P-0000Ot-IY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:30:29 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 24278 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 22:30:27 -0000 Original-Received: from dsl093-011-017.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.0.26]) (gebser@[66.93.11.17]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 22 Apr 2008 22:30:26 -0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) In-Reply-To: <480D8C50.6020401@speakeasy.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=45796D04 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:53482 Archived-At: On 04/22/2008 02:57 AM ken wrote: > On 04/20/2008 01:32 PM B. T. Raven wrote: >> ken wrote: >>> On 04/19/2008 09:24 PM B. T. Raven wrote: >>>> ken wrote: >>>>> >>>>> With the versions of emacs I've been using for years, >>>>> fill-paragraph won't fill/reformat include in its definition of a >>>>> paragraph any line which begins with a space. However, the newer >>>>> emacs version I use at work will. That is, >>>>> >>>>> (1) In the older versions, this will be >>>>> one paragraph. M-q will reformat it >>>>> fine. I like it this way. >>>>> (2) In the older versions, having just a >>>>> single space at the beginning >>>>> of a line tells paragraph-fill that this is >>>>> a separate paragraph. So this would be a >>>>> separate paragraph. >>>>> (3) In the new emacs version, all of these >>>>> would constitute one paragraph and so be >>>>> filled together. I would much prefer the older way >>>>> fill-paragraph works... so that (1), (2), and (3) >>>>> stay where they are. >>>>> >>>>> How would I restore the old behavior to the new version of emacs? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks much. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You can get this with >>>> >>>> "(paragraph-indent-text-mode) >>>> >>>> Major mode for editing text, with leading spaces starting a paragraph. >>>> In this mode, you do not need blank lines between paragraphs >>>> when the first line of the following paragraph starts with whitespace. >>>> `paragraph-indent-minor-mode' provides a similar facility ..." >>> >>> Thanks for this, but I didn't want to change the entire mode, as the >>> behavior above by fill-paragraph happens also when I'm using >>> html-helper-mode, what I use for editing/creating html. It may well >>> happen in other modes also, e.g., perl-mode, c-mode... not sure, >>> because I haven't tried a lot of other modes at work yet. >>> >>> In brief, I just want to change the behavior of fill-paragraph back >>> to what it was previously for all modes. If >>> paragraph-indent-minor-mode will do this, what would I need to put in >>> ~/.emacs to invoke it for any file I might open and not have >>> "paragraph-indent-minor-mode" show up in the mode line? (My mode >>> line already is already occupied with all it can accomodate.) >> >> I just typed M-x paragraph-indent-minor-mode in a text-mode buffer and >> it didn't change anything on the mode line. Then I did unfill >> paragraph on some indented and unindented random strings with no blank >> lines and they were treated as indented paragraphs. Then M-x text-mode >> turns off this minor mode. >> >>> >>> >>> Again, thanks for your help. >>> >>> >> >> I don't have any experience with these modes; they are new to me too >> and I just looked them up in the docs. I am happy with a blank line as >> paragraph separator and I don't see any need for the old conventions >> for paragraph-start and paragraph-separate. Maybe tweaking these two >> variables would give you what you want. Why do you want it anyway, may >> I ask? If it's for publication, you would want to run the file through >> a page layout program (TeX, Auctex) which will lose the blank lines, >> indent new paragraphs, and a whole lot more. >> > > Thanks. Those two variables may provide the answer. I checked the > values in the older version and they are different. Perhaps just > copying those into the new version will fix things. Hopefully I won't > have to play too much with the regexps. There isn't a lot of time for > that on the job. > > .... And it worked... that is, putting in the values from my older version of emacs. Now there's another change to roll back.... When I'm typing a line and get to the far right and the text wraps to the next line, the new version inserts a space into the first column on that next line. -- The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. -- Albert Einstein