From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:10:48 +0100 Message-ID: <480D9D88.9080800@gnu.org> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87ve2cfk9x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200804201931.m3KJVO4X008875@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <858wz8ux2w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BA779.2080507@gmail.com> <853apguv0s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BAD5C.4090204@gmail.com> <85prskte96.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BB8C0.4020303@gmail.com> <85abjnu5ss.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480C31B9.6060900@gmail.com> <480CC3AD.1050403@gmail.com> <85mynnxhuh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480CD2D1.1020003@gmail.com> <878wz7xdgb.fsf@gmail.com> <85bq43xcq9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480CF177.7080904@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208851983 15551 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2008 08:13:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, ams@gnu.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, paul.r.ml@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 22 10:13:32 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JoDd3-0004H4-Ov for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:13:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoDcO-0001JR-3l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:12:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoDb6-0000nK-7i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:11:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoDb4-0000m7-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:11:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoDb3-0000lm-TN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:11:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.4]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JoDar-00045i-VT; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:11:14 -0400 Original-X-Trace: 12831400/mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/83.67.23.108 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 83.67.23.108 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jasonr@gnu.org X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmIFAHM6DUhTQxds/2dsb2JhbACBUqow X-IP-Direction: IN Original-Received: from i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net (HELO wanchan.jasonrumney.net) ([83.67.23.108]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 22 Apr 2008 09:11:12 +0100 Original-Received: from [192.168.249.27] (chiko.jasonrumney.net [192.168.249.27]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F2B790; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:11:46 +0100 (BST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=8086879D X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95747 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: > All else being equal, we would prefer to make each potential user > feel more at home with Emacs. But that does not mean we will > make incompatible changes that are bad for existing users. > This is a non-starter. > I don't think that your suggestion is an incompatible change: Here's a possible idea: enable delete-selection-mode by default but only after shift-selection and mouse-selection. Users who are used to the traditional Emacs behaviour get no surprises as long as they continue to set the mark in the traditional way. Users who are used to other programs' behaviour get the behaviour they are used to, as long as they use the keys they are used to.