From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ken Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: change in fill-paragraph Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:57:20 -0400 Message-ID: <480D8C50.6020401@speakeasy.net> References: <76CdneycsJm7BpfVnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@sysmatrix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208847491 2040 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2008 06:58:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:58:11 +0000 (UTC) To: GNU Emacs List Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 22 08:58:46 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JoCSi-00012p-E5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:58:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoCRy-0004UK-C9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:57:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoCRe-0004UB-85 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:57:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoCRc-0004Tw-KQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:57:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoCRc-0004Tt-Hl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:57:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JoCRb-0006Mt-LX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:57:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net ([69.17.117.3]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JoCRV-00047l-Vz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:57:30 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 21397 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 06:57:24 -0000 Original-Received: from dsl093-011-017.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.0.26]) (gebser@[66.93.11.17]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 22 Apr 2008 06:57:23 -0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=45796D04 X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:53465 Archived-At: On 04/20/2008 01:32 PM B. T. Raven wrote: > ken wrote: >> On 04/19/2008 09:24 PM B. T. Raven wrote: >>> ken wrote: >>>> >>>> With the versions of emacs I've been using for years, fill-paragraph >>>> won't fill/reformat include in its definition of a paragraph any >>>> line which begins with a space. However, the newer emacs version I >>>> use at work will. That is, >>>> >>>> (1) In the older versions, this will be >>>> one paragraph. M-q will reformat it >>>> fine. I like it this way. >>>> (2) In the older versions, having just a >>>> single space at the beginning >>>> of a line tells paragraph-fill that this is >>>> a separate paragraph. So this would be a >>>> separate paragraph. >>>> (3) In the new emacs version, all of these >>>> would constitute one paragraph and so be >>>> filled together. I would much prefer the older way >>>> fill-paragraph works... so that (1), (2), and (3) >>>> stay where they are. >>>> >>>> How would I restore the old behavior to the new version of emacs? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks much. >>>> >>> >>> You can get this with >>> >>> "(paragraph-indent-text-mode) >>> >>> Major mode for editing text, with leading spaces starting a paragraph. >>> In this mode, you do not need blank lines between paragraphs >>> when the first line of the following paragraph starts with whitespace. >>> `paragraph-indent-minor-mode' provides a similar facility ..." >> >> Thanks for this, but I didn't want to change the entire mode, as the >> behavior above by fill-paragraph happens also when I'm using >> html-helper-mode, what I use for editing/creating html. It may well >> happen in other modes also, e.g., perl-mode, c-mode... not sure, >> because I haven't tried a lot of other modes at work yet. >> >> In brief, I just want to change the behavior of fill-paragraph back to >> what it was previously for all modes. If paragraph-indent-minor-mode >> will do this, what would I need to put in ~/.emacs to invoke it for >> any file I might open and not have "paragraph-indent-minor-mode" show >> up in the mode line? (My mode line already is already occupied with >> all it can accomodate.) > > I just typed M-x paragraph-indent-minor-mode in a text-mode buffer and > it didn't change anything on the mode line. Then I did unfill paragraph > on some indented and unindented random strings with no blank lines and > they were treated as indented paragraphs. Then M-x text-mode turns off > this minor mode. > >> >> >> Again, thanks for your help. >> >> > > I don't have any experience with these modes; they are new to me too and > I just looked them up in the docs. I am happy with a blank line as > paragraph separator and I don't see any need for the old conventions for > paragraph-start and paragraph-separate. Maybe tweaking these two > variables would give you what you want. Why do you want it anyway, may I > ask? If it's for publication, you would want to run the file through a > page layout program (TeX, Auctex) which will lose the blank lines, > indent new paragraphs, and a whole lot more. > Thanks. Those two variables may provide the answer. I checked the values in the older version and they are different. Perhaps just copying those into the new version will fix things. Hopefully I won't have to play too much with the regexps. There isn't a lot of time for that on the job. Having all text filled into blocklike paragraphs might be okay in some situations, but when editing or writing something in html or C or perl etc., it's nice to preserve the structure indicated by indentations and nested indentations. I really don't understand why the author of the latest emacs would want to dispense with that. -- The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. -- Albert Einstein