From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:34:22 -0700 Message-ID: <480D78DE.1050800@emf.net> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87ve2cfk9x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200804201931.m3KJVO4X008875@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <858wz8ux2w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BA779.2080507@gmail.com> <853apguv0s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BAD5C.4090204@gmail.com> <85prskte96.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BB8C0.4020303@gmail.com> <85abjnu5ss.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480C31B9.6060900@gmail.com> <480CC3AD.1050403@gmail.com> <85mynnxhuh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480CD2D1.1020003@gmail.com> <878wz7xdgb.fsf@gmail.com> <85bq43xcq9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480CF177.7080904@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208840135 15957 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2008 04:55:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: paul.r.ml@gmail.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, ams@gnu.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Jason Rumney , drew.adams@oracle.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 22 06:55:59 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JoAXt-0007aT-4s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:55:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoAWk-0000XC-Hm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:54:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoAWg-0000X4-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:54:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoAWZ-0000WR-5n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoAWY-0000WO-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:54:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JoAVe-00028b-7u; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:53:39 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.114.9] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 28689448; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:52:37 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95740 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: > Is that really an objective point of view? To me it looks like > arrogance, and if I were a prospective new user of Emacs encountering > it, I might be inclined to look elsewhere. > > That would be no disaster. > > All else being equal, we would prefer to make each potential user > feel more at home with Emacs. But that does not mean we will > make incompatible changes that are bad for existing users. > This is a non-starter. > I don't wish to direct any productive labor *away* from GNU Emacs but, perhaps it would be worth mentioning here that: 1) Editors in the Emacsen family are not *that* hard to write from scratch and, historically, each one (more or less) has found new ideas worth exploring. 2) It's a fun project, if you can afford to work on it and see it through. 3) It's a lot easier than throwing lots of losing arguments at an Emacs-family project that gets along just fine without that. Go hack! Why argue? Start afresh, if the current state seems so bad. -t > > >