From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: juri@jurta.org, Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:40:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <480D09BE.4000709@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080421205728.GD4554@muc.de>
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> A useful "quasi-quantization" to consider is how many bits of state a
>> user must keep in mind to accurately predict the dynamically variable
>> behavior of self-insert-command. (One is probably pushing it and I
>> gather that emacs is going well into N>1 territory. Bummer.)
>
> I think this is the most important point in this discussion (and many
> others). An essential feature of Emacs is that N = 0, or at least has
> been until recently. That is what distinguishes it from both vi and
> typical lesser editors, and IMAO is a critical part of what makes Emacs
> such a joy to use.
Hi Alan and Thomas,
In a sense I agree, but for that I have to stretch my definition of 0
quite a bit ... ;-)
Beeing more serious I think that the base mix of states should be as
stable as possible. However that should be true both for new and old users.
As we have seen from the discussion even long time users may have great
trouble accomodating to changes in the base state. For some period
(short or long) the new and old base state must be available in memory
and I guess this can interfere with other psychic activity.
I believe that for new users it is even worse. They tend to use other
applications beside Emacs and that means that the new and old base state
comes from different applications and must be kept available in memory
for as long time that the user uses both Emacs and other applications
(or have changed Emacs to use cua-mode and maybe some other things).
I am not sure how important the burden of the state is, but I guess that
some of the upset feeling might come from this burden. Some surely come
from other psychic domains. BTW, do you know that stressed animals tend
to seek the familiar surroundings even if the stress factor is there?
Perhaps this can be translated to that stress is something that can
block creativity in certain circumstances.
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Thread overview: 279+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-18 22:06 FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19 3:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-19 20:11 ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 20:22 ` David Kastrup
2008-04-19 20:33 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 13:47 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-19 23:18 ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 23:43 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 10:10 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-20 14:57 ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-21 3:08 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 3:59 ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-21 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:57 ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-21 21:40 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) [this message]
2008-04-20 18:34 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2008-04-20 19:25 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 19:31 ` delete-selection-mode Dan Nicolaescu
2008-04-20 19:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 20:28 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 20:32 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 20:53 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 21:20 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:42 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 5:37 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 6:18 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 6:24 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 6:40 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 9:36 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 16:44 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:47 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 18:12 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:53 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:02 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 20:28 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 6:44 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 14:19 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 16:41 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:01 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 17:45 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:58 ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 18:36 ` delete-selection-mode Paul R
2008-04-21 18:51 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:04 ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:06 ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 20:09 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:10 ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:54 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:56 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:07 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 4:20 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22 5:34 ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-22 8:10 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-22 8:38 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 20:08 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22 20:08 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:03 ` delete-selection-mode Paul R
2008-04-21 20:39 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:51 ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 20:06 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:10 ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-21 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-22 12:20 ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 12:34 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 15:54 ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 13:29 ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2008-04-21 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-20 21:06 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 21:27 ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-20 22:28 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 19:32 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 19:37 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-20 19:29 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:26 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-20 21:45 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 0:10 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 0:23 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 1:44 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 0:28 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 1:44 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 3:07 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 20:35 ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19 22:54 ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 23:22 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-20 23:52 ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-21 0:13 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 1:03 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] <E1Nq9QM-0005sN-MO@internal.in.savannah.gnu.org>
2010-03-12 22:58 ` [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX James Cloos
2010-03-12 23:23 ` Chong Yidong
[not found] ` <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu>
2010-03-13 1:14 ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-17 0:54 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 4:51 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default onUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:32 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:08 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 1:38 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 5:21 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-18 21:06 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:06 ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 21:23 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 10:12 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 13:28 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 13:56 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 18:07 ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-17 14:35 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-17 19:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 19:38 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 19:53 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 20:24 ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 20:36 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:09 ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 21:25 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 21:37 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:55 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:24 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 7:53 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 2:48 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-17 21:43 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 7:56 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:27 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:54 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21 8:21 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21 9:01 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 15:33 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21 15:43 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 0:55 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 0:33 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-18 0:42 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 1:48 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 2:57 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 16:37 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 16:41 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:02 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-19 15:56 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 16:42 ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-20 2:24 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 2:36 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 5:42 ` delete-selection-mode Uwe Siart
2010-03-20 16:49 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:53 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-22 1:04 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 1:16 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-22 6:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22 1:21 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-22 2:04 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 15:25 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-22 15:29 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 0:21 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 4:58 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23 7:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 9:02 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23 16:13 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 16:40 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 17:13 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 17:23 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 18:09 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 9:29 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 13:34 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 7:07 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 17:44 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 7:02 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 20:13 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 5:04 ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-26 5:11 ` delete-selection-mode Daniel Colascione
2010-03-26 7:03 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 7:37 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 21:52 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-23 22:07 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-24 0:47 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 17:57 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-26 2:48 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 17:29 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-26 20:20 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 3:51 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-26 6:03 ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-26 12:51 ` delete-selection-mode Teemu Likonen
2010-03-23 17:18 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 17:18 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 17:33 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-22 6:44 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22 7:41 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 13:51 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22 7:48 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 14:37 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-24 15:15 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 20:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-25 2:55 ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2010-03-20 18:28 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 15:56 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 17:21 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-19 19:01 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-23 3:01 ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-23 15:20 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 17:35 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 15:56 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 18:52 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 22:28 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19 23:59 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 2:24 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 3:40 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 16:49 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:36 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 2:02 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-19 2:46 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 6:35 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 2:23 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 3:53 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-20 4:33 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-20 11:31 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:51 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:37 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21 1:15 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21 2:59 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 21:58 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21 1:17 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21 4:56 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21 11:36 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:32 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-21 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 3:39 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-19 3:50 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 17:06 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 8:18 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:33 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 3:15 ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-18 4:40 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18 8:21 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 16:14 ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18 10:12 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 10:30 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:52 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:06 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:27 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:39 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:54 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 1:28 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19 6:33 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:55 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 1:23 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19 2:33 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 6:31 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:57 ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 14:15 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-18 14:34 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 15:35 ` delete-selection-mode Berndl, Klaus
2010-03-18 15:57 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:16 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:51 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:25 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 21:45 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 0:35 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19 6:28 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:49 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:02 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:35 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 19:22 ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-18 21:55 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 6:32 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 8:07 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:05 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 13:14 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21 8:26 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-17 16:18 ` delete-selection-mode Glenn Morris
2010-03-17 21:46 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-17 19:31 AW: delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 20:49 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-18 9:24 ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 9:57 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:54 delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 21:54 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-19 9:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-19 10:30 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:09 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 13:26 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 13:47 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 19:05 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29 4:42 delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-04-29 13:32 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-04-29 18:06 ` delete-selection-mode James Cloos
2010-04-29 18:27 ` delete-selection-mode Deniz Dogan
2010-04-29 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29 20:37 ` delete-selection-mode Kim F. Storm
2010-04-30 5:54 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
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