From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:53:05 +0100 Message-ID: <480CF0A1.70609@gnu.org> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87ve2cfk9x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200804201931.m3KJVO4X008875@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <858wz8ux2w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BA779.2080507@gmail.com> <853apguv0s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BAD5C.4090204@gmail.com> <85prskte96.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BB8C0.4020303@gmail.com> <85abjnu5ss.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480C31B9.6060900@gmail.com> <85y777sp1i.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480C36D8.1060500@gmail.com> <85r6czsg5u.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480CC486.9030406@gmail.com> <85hcdvxekg.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208807804 25735 80.91.229.12 (21 Apr 2008 19:56:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Chong Yidong , "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov , Dan Nicolaescu , Stefan Monnier , drew.adams@oracle.com To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 21 21:57:18 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jo286-00076U-4V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:56:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo26b-0002br-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo26R-0002Z3-KJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo26O-0002XQ-1P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo26N-0002XJ-Ob for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:54:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jo25S-0004Wy-DR; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:54:03 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsFAPONDEhTQxds/2dsb2JhbACBUalB X-IP-Direction: IN Original-Received: from i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net (HELO wanchan.jasonrumney.net) ([83.67.23.108]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Apr 2008 20:53:31 +0100 Original-Received: from [192.168.249.27] (chiko.jasonrumney.net [192.168.249.27]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79049790; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:54:00 +0100 (BST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) In-Reply-To: <85hcdvxekg.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=8086879D X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95690 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > Try S-Right S-Right C-x C-x Left. The region is not extended. > That is as I'd expect. Shift-selection should act like mouse selection, not like traditional C-SPC setting of mark then moving point. > Or try something like C-SPC Right Right C-x C-x S-Left and look and > behold, the existing active region gets removed and a new is started. > > What is the design for that, if any? Can somebody express the current > default semantics in a few simple sentences? > Don't mix C-SPC setting of the mark and Shift-movement. Use one or the other. Separating them like this is the only way to make Shift-selection act like users coming to Emacs from other programs expect it to. Trying to kludge a solution where Shift-selection and C-SPC are interchangable breaks users' expectations, and if we do that, what is the point of enabling Shift selection at all?