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From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: bob@rattlesnake.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:47:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <480CEF39.8040307@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1Jo1PZ-002K4EC@rattlesnake.com>

Robert J. Chassell wrote:
>     The answer 
>     is of course that the arrow keys without shift does deactivate the region.
> 
> No, the arrow keys without shift do NOT deactivate the region with
> 
> Today's GNU Emacs CVS snapshot, Mon, 2008 Apr 21  09:59 UTC
> GNU Emacs 23.0.60.18 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9)
> started with
> 
>      emacs -Q -D
> 
> and configured with
> 
>        --disable-font-backend --with-x --with-type1 --with-x-toolkit=gtk


I think that depends on how you activate the region from the beginning 
(and I think it is good). This is how it works for me:

1) If the region is activated with C-SPC then unshifted arrow keys does 
not deactivate the region. Is not this in accordance with what Emacs 
long time users might expect today?

2) If the region was activated with a shifted arrow key then unshifted 
arrow keys deactivates the region. I think this is what users accustomed 
to other applications expects.

---
I think Jason's suggestion for delete-selection-mode fits very well with 
the above. I believe it is easy to remember:

"I think delete-selection-mode (and maybe even transient-mark-mode) 
should be enabled only when the region was marked using shift movement keys.
Setting the mark with C-SPC, moving the cursor and typing a self-insert 
character should definitely not delete the region by default, even if 
the region is active and highlighted."




  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-21 19:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 279+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-18 22:06 FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19  3:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-19 20:11   ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 20:22     ` David Kastrup
2008-04-19 20:33       ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 13:47         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-19 23:18       ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 23:43         ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 10:10           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-20 14:57           ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-21  3:08             ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21  3:59               ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-21 19:47                 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:57                 ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-21 21:40                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 18:34           ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2008-04-20 19:25             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 19:31               ` delete-selection-mode Dan Nicolaescu
2008-04-20 19:48                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 20:28                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 20:32                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 20:53                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 21:20                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:42                           ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  5:37                             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21  6:18                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  6:24                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21  6:40                                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  9:36                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 16:44                                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:47                                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 18:12                                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:53                                             ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:02                                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 20:28                                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21  6:44                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 14:19                                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 16:41                                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:01                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 17:45                                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:58                                         ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 18:36                                           ` delete-selection-mode Paul R
2008-04-21 18:51                                             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:04                                               ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:48                                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:06                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 20:09                                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:10                                                       ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:54                                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:56                                               ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:07                                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22  4:20                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22  5:34                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-22  8:10                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-22  8:38                                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 20:08                                                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22 20:08                                                     ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:03                                               ` delete-selection-mode Paul R
2008-04-21 20:39                                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:51                                             ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 20:06                                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:10                                     ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-21 19:47                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) [this message]
2008-04-22 12:20                                         ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 12:34                                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 15:54                                             ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 13:29                                           ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2008-04-21 19:47                                 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-20 21:06                   ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 21:27                     ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-20 22:28                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 19:32               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 19:37           ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-20 19:29             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:26               ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-20 21:45                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  0:10                   ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21  0:23                     ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  1:44                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21  0:28                     ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21  1:44                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21  3:07           ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 20:35     ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19 22:54       ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 23:22         ` Drew Adams
2008-04-20 23:52           ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-21  0:13             ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21  1:03             ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] <E1Nq9QM-0005sN-MO@internal.in.savannah.gnu.org>
2010-03-12 22:58 ` [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX James Cloos
2010-03-12 23:23   ` Chong Yidong
     [not found]     ` <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu>
2010-03-13  1:14       ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-17  0:54         ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Juri Linkov
2010-03-17  4:51           ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default onUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:32             ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:08               ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18  1:38                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18  5:21                   ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-18 21:06                   ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:06                   ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 21:23                     ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 10:12           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 13:28             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 13:56               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 18:07             ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-17 14:35           ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-17 19:30             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 19:38               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 19:53                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 20:24                 ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 20:36                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:09                     ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 21:25                     ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 21:37                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:55                         ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:24                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18  7:53                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18  2:48                       ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-17 21:43                     ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18  7:56                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:27                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 17:15                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:54                           ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21  8:21                           ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21  9:01                             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 15:33                               ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21 15:43                                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30  0:55                                   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18  0:33                 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-18  0:42               ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Richard Stallman
2010-03-18  1:48                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18  2:57                   ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 16:37                   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 16:41                     ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:02                       ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-19 15:56                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 16:42                         ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-20  2:24                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20  2:36                             ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20  5:42                             ` delete-selection-mode Uwe Siart
2010-03-20 16:49                               ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:53                                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:15                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 22:27                                   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-22  1:04                                     ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22  1:16                                       ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-22  6:48                                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22  1:21                                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-22  2:04                                         ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 15:25                                           ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-22 15:29                                           ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23  0:21                                             ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23  4:58                                             ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23  7:48                                               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23  9:02                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23 16:13                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 16:40                                                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 17:13                                                     ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 17:23                                                       ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 18:09                                                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24  9:29                                                           ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 13:34                                                             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25  7:07                                                               ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 17:44                                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26  7:02                                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 20:13                                                                     ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26  5:04                                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-26  5:11                                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Daniel Colascione
2010-03-26  7:03                                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26  7:37                                                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 21:52                                                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-23 22:07                                                           ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-24  0:47                                                             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 17:57                                                           ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-26  2:48                                                             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 17:29                                                               ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-26 20:20                                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26  3:51                                                             ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-26  6:03                                                               ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-26 12:51                                                               ` delete-selection-mode Teemu Likonen
2010-03-23 17:18                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 17:18                                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 17:33                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-22  6:44                                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22  7:41                                         ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 13:51                                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22  7:48                                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 14:37                                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-24 15:15                                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 20:27                                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-25  2:55                                           ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2010-03-20 18:28                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21 22:27                                   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 15:56                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 17:21                         ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-19 19:01                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-23  3:01                         ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-23 15:20                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 17:35                     ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 15:56                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 18:52                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 22:28                           ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19 23:59                             ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20  2:24                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20  3:40                             ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 16:49                               ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:36                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  2:02                     ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-19  2:46                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  6:35                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  7:43                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20  2:23                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20  3:53                         ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-20  4:33                           ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-20 11:31                           ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50                             ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:51                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:37                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21  1:15                                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21  2:59                                     ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 21:58                               ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21  1:17                                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21  4:56                                   ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21 11:36                                     ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:32                             ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-21 22:27                               ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19  3:39                     ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-19  3:50                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 17:06                   ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18  8:18                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:33             ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18  3:15               ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-18  4:40             ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18  8:21               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 16:14                 ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18 10:12               ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 10:30                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:52                   ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:06                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15                   ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:27                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:39                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:54                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  1:28                           ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19  6:33                             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  7:43                               ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:55                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  1:23                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19  2:33                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  6:31                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  7:43                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:57                   ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 14:15                 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-18 14:34                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 15:35                     ` delete-selection-mode Berndl, Klaus
2010-03-18 15:57                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:16                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:51                     ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:25                       ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 21:45                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  0:35                         ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19  6:28                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:49                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:02                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15                 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:35                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 19:22                     ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-18 21:55                     ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  6:32                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  7:43                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  8:07                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:05                             ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 13:14                               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 22:27                               ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21  8:26                 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-17 16:18           ` delete-selection-mode Glenn Morris
2010-03-17 21:46             ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-17 19:31 AW: delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 20:49 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-18  9:24   ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18  9:57     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:54 delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 21:54 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-19  9:23   ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-19 10:30     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:09     ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 13:26       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 13:47         ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 19:05         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29  4:42 delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-04-29 13:32 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-04-29 18:06   ` delete-selection-mode James Cloos
2010-04-29 18:27     ` delete-selection-mode Deniz Dogan
2010-04-29 19:47       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29 20:37       ` delete-selection-mode Kim F. Storm
2010-04-30  5:54   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman

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