From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:40:24 +0200 Message-ID: <480C36D8.1060500@gmail.com> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87ve2cfk9x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200804201931.m3KJVO4X008875@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <858wz8ux2w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BA779.2080507@gmail.com> <853apguv0s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BAD5C.4090204@gmail.com> <85prskte96.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BB8C0.4020303@gmail.com> <85abjnu5ss.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480C31B9.6060900@gmail.com> <85y777sp1i.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208760063 30154 80.91.229.12 (21 Apr 2008 06:41:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov , Dan Nicolaescu , Stefan Monnier , drew.adams@oracle.com To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 21 08:41:34 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JnpiV-0000tz-AG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:41:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnphq-0005jG-0o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:40:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnphj-0005gD-L9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:40:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnphf-0005da-Sm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:40:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jnphf-0005dU-Lf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:40:39 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JnphV-0003H1-IE; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:40:29 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-150-27.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.150.27]:61783 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JnphT-0001Hm-5L; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:40:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <85y777sp1i.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080421-0, 2008-04-21), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.150.27 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JnphT-0001Hm-5L. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1JnphT-0001Hm-5L c57d3bf0cadf0a5ae384d83b4d2904b5 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95599 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > >> David Kastrup wrote: >>>> However rereading what >>>> you wrote I see that you said that there is no way for the average >>>> (new) user to deactivate the region. He/she can use the arrow keys >>>> without shift. >>> That does not deactivate a region when transient-mark-mode is used. >> Is that really the case? Then I think it is a mistake. New users will >> expect that arrow keys without shift will deactivate the region. > > How about trying an Emacs with default settings and workflow before > making further suggestions? Maybe that is a good suggestion, but I can not see how it is relevant to the statement I make here. Don't you think that new users will expect arrow keys without shift to deactivate the region?