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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229421 Archived-At: > > There are only so many key bindings one can remember. >=20 > I really *urge* you to turn `menu-bar-mode' back on, permanently. >=20 > Whatever you feel you're gaining from hiding the menus surely can't be > of greater benefit to you than all the knowledge and functionality that > you're missing as a consequence? >=20 > So many of the things that you don't know could be answered by perusing > the menus -- which both provide direct access to commands, and also show > the equivalent key bindings (no doubt including many of the ones you > can't remember). >=20 > I believe that re-enabling the menus would be a huge net win for you > -- like any other user, you could learn and gain so much from keeping > them available. You can almost guarantee that the most important > features of a given mode will be accessible through its menus; so > using the menus not only saves you from having to remember all of the > key bindings, but it also provides an overview of some of the most > useful abilities of the library in question. >=20 > Tangentially, also make sure you've taken then time to learn how to > use the Info manuals, which are absolutely invaluable. Use M-x > Info-help (or type "h" inside any existing info buffer) to learn how > to read and search the manuals, and to use the indexes. Once you've > done that, you will know how to find the answers to so many questions. >=20 > I feel that so many of your questions would be answered by Emacs, if > you only asked it. What Phil said.