From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David De La Harpe Golden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tab bar Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:50:55 +0100 Message-ID: <47FC2F0F.4000109@harpegolden.net> References: <87wsnaso3h.fsf@jurta.org> <87d4p2tuim.fsf@jurta.org> <47FA3EBE.5040600@gmail.com> <6161f3180804080658i3bb41ba2g4012870615c522d7@mail.gmail.com> <47FB7F79.6050906@gmail.com> <87k5j8jq93.fsf@gmail.com> <200804081604.m38G4s0e019532@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <6161f3180804080925l7cc33c85uea3209e945117fe6@mail.gmail.com> <47FBD126.9040807@gmail.com> <47FBE0B1.2030600@harpegolden.net> <47FBE7E3.4080905@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207709481 10462 80.91.229.12 (9 Apr 2008 02:51:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 02:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, "Andrew W. Nosenko" , Emacs developers , Juri Linkov , koppel@ece.lsu.edu, Paul R To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 09 04:51:53 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjQPh-0008H7-7o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:51:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjQP3-0000FY-Oo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:51:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjQOx-0000Bg-Ru for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:51:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjQOv-00005a-1j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:51:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjQOu-000056-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:51:04 -0400 Original-Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjQOq-0007Ra-NB; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: from golden1.harpegolden.net (86-43-174-84.b-ras2.prp.dublin.eircom.net [86.43.174.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 2" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12628421; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 02:50:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080110) In-Reply-To: <47FBE7E3.4080905@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94750 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > Thanks David. > > I can't understand this. Why are they fighting a (rather) well > established standard on w32 instead of using it to their favor to get > new users? > Not sure you can take for granted that developers - and users - of other desktop guis (or even w32) are as familiar with w32 as you might be. :-) I myself have relatively seldom used w32 (amiga->gnu/linux in 1990s...), and of w32 users I know, most aren't at a skill level where they'd use many keyboard shortcuts to navigate... So, I had no idea C-TAB did that on windows, and on gnu/linux I'm used to C-PgUp/Dn - turns out I've been missing out, Tk notebooks use C-TAB, I just didn't discover that until now. Anyway, you can't be significantly better than w32 by just imitating w32. :-) I'd say it's way more important that the shortcuts are vaguely consistent intra-platform than inter-platform - mac shortcuts quite often differ from w32 too... ... of course, they're _not_ always consistent intra-platform on gnu/linux X11 desktops, but within a single toolkit/desktop-environment application family you've some hope.