From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default of send-mail-function Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:55:07 +0200 Message-ID: <47FB874B.7070300@gmail.com> References: <87tzig16o6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87od8ng92x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y77recuj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prt2droq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fxtxeakj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <47FA8145.3010906@gmail.com> <47FA917E.5060100@gmail.com> <47FAC155.8090002@harpegolden.net> <47FB2BD9.6040101@gnu.org> <87iqysa81i.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> <47FB5C19.1010908@gnu.org> <877if89zwb.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207667232 23704 80.91.229.12 (8 Apr 2008 15:07:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:07:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Manoj Srivastava Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 08 17:07:43 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjFPk-0000T7-Or for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:07:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjFP7-0004iy-Hg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:06:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjFED-0006CP-BW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:55:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjFE9-0006Al-Qk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:55:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjFE9-0006AX-Lc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjFE9-0002jg-8u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-150-27.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.150.27]:64095 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JjFE6-0006Ko-8q; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:55:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <877if89zwb.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080408-0, 2008-04-08), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.150.27 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JjFE6-0006Ko-8q. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1JjFE6-0006Ko-8q f62d0d7ceb631e91a65a53a05018d4b5 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94704 Archived-At: Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:50:49 +0100, Jason Rumney said: > > >> Yes, that can currently happen with the default on Windows and Mac >> too. But the fact that obviously experienced users who have set Emacs >> as their default mail client end up with a loop if they don't change >> the default configuration should not prevent us from making a change >> that benefits less experienced users who currently experience a broken >> mail configuration and may not have the knowledge to configure their >> way out of it. > > I am not sure that this is th case, xdg-email is as likely to be > broken as anything else. Indeed, on Debian, when the sysadmin installs > a MTA, and sets it up correctly, _every_ user on the system has a > working email. If xdg-email defaults to thunderbird; then every user > has to set it up correctly, which they might not have expertise to do. > > At my last install of a Debian system, I recall being asked how > to set up my MTA -- and local delivery was only one of five options. > > These decisions we are making do not come at no cost. Right now, > emacs works out of the box with no user setup for sending email on the > corporate debian boxes at my place of work; this change would mean > every single user will have to customize emacs on every single box at > work. > > I would find that degrades the quality of implementation for > emacs. How are we so sure that I am in the minority here? Don't now, but a little table might grow to help us: * w32: system default mail most likely to work * mac: system default mail most likely to work * GNU/Linux - debian: manoj, please help me fill in this. Desktop? Other? - ubuntu: I guess system default mail, but other knows better than me