From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:18:09 +0100 Message-ID: <47F0AC51.4010907@gnu.org> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324200911.GA1310@muc.de> <001e01c88dee$34267e90$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080324210229.GB1310@muc.de> <85myogm1to.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <47EFF70A.3030700@gmail.com> <8563v4lzum.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874panr3kd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206955138 31814 80.91.229.12 (31 Mar 2008 09:18:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, M Jared Finder , paul r To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 31 11:19:28 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JgGAb-0006WM-At for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:19:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgG9z-0000SW-BS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:18:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgG9r-0000SK-9e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:18:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgG9o-0000Ra-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:18:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgG9n-0000RX-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:18:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgG9j-0007PV-Rd; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:18:20 -0400 Original-X-Trace: 46669384/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/83.67.23.108 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 83.67.23.108 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jasonr@gnu.org X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag8GAOpI8EdTQxds/2dsb2JhbACBWqZu X-IP-Direction: IN Original-Received: from i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net (HELO wanchan.jasonrumney.net) ([83.67.23.108]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 31 Mar 2008 10:18:18 +0100 Original-Received: from [192.168.249.27] (chiko.jasonrumney.net [192.168.249.27]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A886B6; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:18:18 +0100 (BST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) In-Reply-To: <874panr3kd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=8086879D X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94033 Archived-At: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > But that's beside the point. Yes, David, you are different from the > majority of beginning users of editors these days. That is, they > want their editor to have no learning curve at all. It should start > out easy, and stay easy, and do things for them. They do not want to > learn anything about the editor. > I don't think it is true that they never want to learn anything, there would be no point in switching to anything from notepad if that was the case. But beginning users expect to be able to start doing basic text editing without having to learn anything, and gradually learn how to make better use of their chosen tool. I started using CUA mode many years ago, for the opposite reason of I expect most CUA users. Emacs keybindings were so ingrained that I had trouble using other software, so I decided to train myself to use the CUA bindings. I have honestly never encountered a problem with the CUA keys getting in the way (though I always used PgDn rather than C-v, I could see that one being a problem for some Emacs users).