From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Honoring traditional defaults - how to do it. [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: <47E971CF.8010108@gmail.com> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874pavg45t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <004d01c88e01$0f93b8f0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080325213859.GB1641@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206481419 21040 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2008 21:43:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "'Stephen J. Turnbull'" , paul r , Richard Stallman , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 22:44:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JeGw2-0005fY-Cn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:43:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JeGvR-0001aE-1n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:43:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JeGvL-0001YV-TM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:43:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JeGvK-0001XK-DK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:43:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JeGvK-0001XE-9G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:43:14 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JeGvF-0001eY-Ok; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:43:10 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:59659 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JeGuy-0004oX-61; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:42:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <20080325213859.GB1641@muc.de> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080324-0, 2008-03-24), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JeGuy-0004oX-61. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1JeGuy-0004oX-61 1c27cb28689081983498ccb8e85a171e X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93449 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > I've been thinking; what are the requirements here? I think they're: > (i) It must be _easy_ for a newbie to start an Emacs in "lazy" mode > (i.e., with the UI stuff from lesser applications enabled). Yes. > (ii) The said newby must be made aware that she's started a "dumbed down" > version of Emacs, and encouraged to switch a standard setup. Yes. > (iii) The most standard way of starting emacs (i.e., the command "emacs") > must start the standard setup. No. > I think all these things can be achieved with a simple alias: > > % alias emacs_easy='emacs --load /path/to/lisp/emacs-easy.el' % alias emacs_uneasy='emacs --load /path/to/lisp/emacs-uneasy.el' > "You are running an Emacs configuration designed to be easy to > _learn_. When you have become somewhat proficient in its use, you > may wish to switch to a standard Emacs setup, which is optimised for > ease of _use_ rather than ease of learning." "You are running an Emacs configuration designed to be easy to _learn_. If you think you are smart enough and want to become a real Emacs user then you can switch to an Emacs hero setup which is optimized for those who are able to learn it." Other than that I think the idea is good, but I would prefer Stephens way to actually do it.