From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:17:21 +0000 Message-ID: <47E852A1.1010701@gnu.org> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> <20080324151053.158b3048@reforged> <47E83CC4.4030608@gnu.org> <47E849CA.5010006@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206407894 785 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2008 01:18:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Mike Mattie , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 02:18:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JdxoK-0000sW-3v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:18:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdxni-0003zx-VP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:18:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdxn7-0003ka-Os for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:17:29 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdxn3-0003ik-Uj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:17:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdxn3-0003ig-P4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:17:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jdxn3-0005GU-Gh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:17:25 -0400 Original-X-Trace: 39933460/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/83.67.23.108 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 83.67.23.108 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jasonr@gnu.org X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIAAC7v50dTQxds/2dsb2JhbAAIqEA X-IP-Direction: OUT Original-Received: from i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net (HELO [192.168.249.28]) ([83.67.23.108]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 25 Mar 2008 01:17:24 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) In-Reply-To: <47E849CA.5010006@emf.net> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93368 Archived-At: Thomas Lord wrote: > That's not the problem. > The problem is that calling it "windows/mac highlighting" > suggests that it works that way for users -- that it actually > has a "look and feel" that matches those other systems. > It doesn't match those other systems so that's misleading. Yes, that is a problem. If the reason for enabling TMM by default is to make life easier for new users, then I think it is not enough of an improvement without also enabling selection with Shift-movement keys. If enabling TMM by default upsets many long-time users, then perhaps it is better to only enable temporary-TMM when the Shift-movement keys are used to select, and leave the behaviour of traditional Emacs keys alone.