From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Honoring traditional defaults Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:38:23 +0100 Message-ID: <47E83B6F.7020307@gmail.com> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> <874pavg45t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206401971 17504 80.91.229.12 (24 Mar 2008 23:39:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Sascha Wilde Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 00:40:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JdwGh-0000fp-0i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:39:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdwG5-0002yS-VR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:39:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdwFX-0002YJ-UG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:38:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdwFU-0002Ve-HT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:38:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdwFU-0002VY-5M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:38:40 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JdwFT-00007z-Tr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:38:40 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:64281 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JdwFR-00078a-4k; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:38:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080324-0, 2008-03-24), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JdwFR-00078a-4k. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1JdwFR-00078a-4k 454150244692b8af3aea82b0e05cc6c8 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93352 Archived-At: Sascha Wilde wrote: > Maybe I'm mistaken, but afaik there is already a special mode for those > spoiled rodent lovers: CUA mode. And even more: there is already a wide > consensus not to make CUA default. The consensus is that it is very difficult to make it the default. Not that everyone thinks that it is a bad idea. > That does not mean that the defaults should never change, it only means > that the main target of the defaults shouldn't be what newbies might > _expect_. (Note, how that is different from what might be really > _useful_ to newbies.) You can only think that way if you assume that you know more in a certain case.