From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:15:33 +0100 Message-ID: <47E7C595.60209@gmail.com> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> <87eja0b1rr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206371761 24898 80.91.229.12 (24 Mar 2008 15:16:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 24 16:16:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JdoPW-0006Nn-8b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:16:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdoOv-0006To-5c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:15:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdoOr-0006Pn-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:15:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdoOp-0006N3-Hk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:15:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdoOp-0006Mo-Am for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:15:47 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JdoOo-0007uL-W6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:15:47 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:61793 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JdoOl-0006ir-3q; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:15:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87eja0b1rr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080324-0, 2008-03-24), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JdoOl-0006ir-3q. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1JdoOl-0006ir-3q 5c80edb2e5a2acf911732978e236daa7 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93304 Archived-At: Chong Yidong wrote: > (ii) Modal behavior has been in default Emacs for a long time now, > e.g. C-s. I've read a few posts in which people say they find tmm > works pretty seamlessly, which is the important thing. Tthis is my > experience also. And of course the mark. > I don't think head-counting is indicative, since what matters is the > points people make. But, as far as I can tell, Dan, Stefan, myself, > Drew, and Lennart have spoken in favor of making tmm the default; > Mathias says he finds tmm OK; and yourself, Sascha, and David Kastrup > are against making it the default. Those who haven't expressed a > strong opinion either way include Eli, Juanma, Miles (who said he > thinks tmm works pretty well) and Kim (who wrote CUA mode and > presumably uses it). Please correct me if I misrepresented anyone. My only little objection is that cua-selection-mode might have been a better choice to start with and then making that as close to tmm as possible without breaking cua of course. Long time goal: make tmm an alias for cua-selection-mode. But starting this way you may perhaps reach making cua-selection an alias for tmm ;-) And the real point is keeping cua compatibility where it is important + enhancements. Getting rid of unnecessary complexity.