From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shift selection using interactive spec Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:24:09 +0100 Message-ID: <47DEEF89.2040602@gmx.at> References: <87k5k69p92.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200803140408.m2E47hPU014494@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87prtxpekk.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87abl11ilo.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874pb9koyw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87od9gzqv9.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87bq5gytbi.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8763vndi0r.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87hcf6ratt.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <878x0if9ul.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87od9e9gnx.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <873aqp5mzs.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205792679 6886 80.91.229.12 (17 Mar 2008 22:24:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Kim F. Storm" , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 17 23:25:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JbNlQ-0007G9-ET for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:25:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JbNkq-0004Gc-73 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:24:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JbNkm-0004GH-OM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:24:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JbNkk-0004Fj-Q8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:24:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JbNkk-0004Fd-LT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:24:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JbNkk-0003yK-8a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:24:22 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2008 22:24:19 -0000 Original-Received: from N716P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.33.100]) [62.47.33.100] by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 23:24:19 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19aws1Zzn5aqu/rXrbYVt389Rv0Q2bvXDP5gLaHGW JjSJta3L8FKMiD User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en In-Reply-To: <873aqp5mzs.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92853 Archived-At: > The way I see it, C-SPC provides a robust region, and Emacs users will > continue using this even after we implement shift-selection; holding > down the shift key is too much of a nuisance. So we're talking about > how Emacs behaves for new/casual users, who use shift-selection > because they're either unaware of or unused to C-SPC. It seems to me > that such users would expect the shift-selected region to be fleeting, > since that is the behavior in other editors. Furthermore, > shift-selection is *inherently* fleeting, since entering any unshifted > motion key deactivates the mark, and motion commands are > psychologically "tinier" (or rather less consequential) than most > commands. Currently I do not find a single way to handle the following scenario reliably: (1) Select some "region" of text, (2) scroll the window the text appears in such that `window-point' gets relocated, (3) perform an action on the region selected in step (1). Everything I tried so far (transient-mark-mode, mouse-drag-region, delete-selection-mode, pc-selection-mode, CUA-mode) failed. Any plans to handle this?