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From: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>
To: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>
Cc: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
	Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	"Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>
Subject: Re: shift-select harmony
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:38:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47DC5E13.5000002@emf.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47DC471E.3050705@emf.net>

There's yet-another way to see the three-variable
idea.   I admit that this is an esoteric way to look
at the problem and solution but it is  a productive
way to look at it:

Think of something *like* Emacs but with this
difference:  instead of a "point" in the dynamic
state, the alterna-Emacs would have a "region".

What Emacs currently thinks of as the point
is, in alterna-Emacs, a pair of points where
the car of that pair is called the tentative mark
and the cdr is called the point (and more or less
coincides with the current notion of point).

In alterna-Emacs, there is no such thing as "insert".
There are commands called "insert[-*]" but what they
really do is replace the entire region -- not just the
point.

Well, alterna-Emacs is a superset of current
Emacs.   Current Emacs is a system in which
there exist no commands or primitive functions
that can be used  to construct a non-empty
current-region.    In current Emacs, the
tentative mark and the point always happen
to be the same.

The new functionality that is desired is a
systematic way to for users to define the
tentative mark separately from the point --
to create non-empty "current regions"
for primitives to use.

That's not a very big change, *afaict*, and
how it can be done is what I outlined in the
last couple of messages.

-t





  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-15 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-13 23:29 Shift selection using interactive spec Chong Yidong
2008-03-14  0:44 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  0:10   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14  1:22     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  9:46       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 10:01         ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-14 10:30           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 11:18           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 11:11         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 10:42           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 11:36             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 11:50             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 11:39               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 18:41                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  4:06 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-14 14:26   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-14 14:32     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-14 14:53       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-14 16:19         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 15:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-14 16:09         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-14 20:52         ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-14 20:59           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 21:08             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15  0:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15  2:02             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15  3:31               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15 14:07                 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15 15:07                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15 17:11                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15 20:52                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15 21:45                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 14:15                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-16 14:37                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-15 22:01                         ` shift-select harmony Thomas Lord
2008-03-15 23:38                           ` Thomas Lord [this message]
2008-03-15 17:16                   ` Shift selection using interactive spec Kim F. Storm
2008-03-15 20:59                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 23:31                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-15 21:08                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16  0:27                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-16  1:37                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16  9:09                           ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-16 14:21                             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-16 16:56                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 16:34                             ` Dear lazyweb (Re: Shift selection using interactive spec) Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 18:40                           ` Shift selection using interactive spec Stefan Monnier
2008-03-16 21:00                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 20:45                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-16 21:46                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 21:24                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-16 22:27                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 23:04                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16 23:17                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-17  0:46                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  0:21                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-17  1:16                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 23:35                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-17  0:55                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  2:23                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  3:12                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  2:21                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  3:47                                 ` what's the point (re shift selection) Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 14:40                     ` Shift selection using interactive spec Chong Yidong
2008-03-16 15:04                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16 17:13                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  0:54                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17  2:40                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  3:24                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17 13:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17 16:33                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17 17:21                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-17 19:11                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17 21:10                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17 21:44                                     ` Drew Adams
2008-03-18 11:40                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-18 14:16                                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 15:07                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-18 16:24                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 17:54                                         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-20  5:03                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-23  1:39                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17 22:24                                 ` martin rudalics
2008-03-17 22:37                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18  0:50                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-18  7:48                                       ` martin rudalics
2008-03-18 17:46                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-18 17:36                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18 19:07                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-18  7:48                                     ` martin rudalics
2008-03-17 22:53                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18  3:12                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18  7:49                                     ` martin rudalics
2008-03-18 16:36                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 16:44                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18 14:45                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 16:39                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 18:28                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 21:42                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 22:30                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-18 22:39                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-19  4:40                                         ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-26  8:09                                           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 10:48                                             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 11:32                                               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 11:39                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 12:20                                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 13:14                                                     ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-26 13:26                                                       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 14:52                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-27  0:46                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 12:02                                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-26 11:47                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-26 22:26                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-26 23:31                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-27  7:02                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27  8:19                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-27  8:41                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 13:57                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-27 14:39                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 15:01                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-27 15:34                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 15:41                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-27 15:13                                                               ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-27 19:41                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27 23:52                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-28  7:33                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29  0:47                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-29  7:03                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29 11:53                                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-29 12:30                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-29 14:07                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29 14:45                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-29 15:09                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29 15:30                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-30  0:52                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-30 17:56                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30  5:49                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-28  4:05                                                       ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-28 11:10                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-28 17:14                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-28 20:05                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-28 23:49                                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-28 20:42                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-28 21:47                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-28 22:01                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30  0:48                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-30 17:55                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 18:55                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-27  0:49                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-27  2:59                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-27 19:41                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27 23:48                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-28 20:41                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-29  0:54                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-29  1:15                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-29 16:37                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30  1:05                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-30  4:12                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-30 18:33                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-31 16:24                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30 19:56                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30 22:46                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 22:26                                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-18 17:45                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16  2:33                 ` Richard Stallman

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