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From: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>
To: "Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>
Cc: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
	Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Shift selection using interactive spec
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:08:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47DC3AB2.9070502@emf.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8763vndi0r.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm>

I just want to add that shift-marking is really important
and that thinking about reducing it to a familiar state
machine is valuable, if it can be done:

This is one of the #1 user interface *obstacles*
for new Emacs users who have experience in typical
GUI apps.   If Emacs *can*, in a natural way, offer
such users *exactly what they expect* then that is
probably worth doing!

It's icing on the cake that these features would fit
in very nicely with the traditional Emacs command
set, benefiting "power users" at least as much as
GUI-corrupted-newbies.

There is an opportunity here, in my opinion, to
make Emacs a lot more approachable, to many
more people, without needing the kind of
"you're using Emacs... but not really" indirections
of things like VI modes, transient-mark-mode,
etc.     Transient-mark-mode and delete-mode
seem to me to have, in retrospect, been mistakes
that tried unsuccessfully to work around the
absence of the three special variables that I described.
(Had they been successes, probably they could have
been enabled by default.)

-t





  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-15 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-13 23:29 Shift selection using interactive spec Chong Yidong
2008-03-14  0:44 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  0:10   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14  1:22     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  9:46       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 10:01         ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-14 10:30           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 11:18           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 11:11         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 10:42           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 11:36             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 11:50             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 11:39               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 18:41                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  4:06 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-14 14:26   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-14 14:32     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-14 14:53       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-14 16:19         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 15:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-14 16:09         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-14 20:52         ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-14 20:59           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 21:08             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15  0:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15  2:02             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15  3:31               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15 14:07                 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15 15:07                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15 17:11                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15 20:52                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15 21:45                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 14:15                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-16 14:37                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-15 22:01                         ` shift-select harmony Thomas Lord
2008-03-15 23:38                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-15 17:16                   ` Shift selection using interactive spec Kim F. Storm
2008-03-15 20:59                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 23:31                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-15 21:08                     ` Thomas Lord [this message]
2008-03-16  0:27                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-16  1:37                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16  9:09                           ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-16 14:21                             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-16 16:56                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 16:34                             ` Dear lazyweb (Re: Shift selection using interactive spec) Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 18:40                           ` Shift selection using interactive spec Stefan Monnier
2008-03-16 21:00                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 20:45                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-16 21:46                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 21:24                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-16 22:27                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 23:04                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16 23:17                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-17  0:46                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  0:21                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-17  1:16                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 23:35                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-17  0:55                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  2:23                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  3:12                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  2:21                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  3:47                                 ` what's the point (re shift selection) Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 14:40                     ` Shift selection using interactive spec Chong Yidong
2008-03-16 15:04                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16 17:13                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  0:54                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17  2:40                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  3:24                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17 13:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17 16:33                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17 17:21                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-17 19:11                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17 21:10                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17 21:44                                     ` Drew Adams
2008-03-18 11:40                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-18 14:16                                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 15:07                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-18 16:24                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 17:54                                         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-20  5:03                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-23  1:39                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17 22:24                                 ` martin rudalics
2008-03-17 22:37                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18  0:50                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-18  7:48                                       ` martin rudalics
2008-03-18 17:46                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-18 17:36                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18 19:07                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-18  7:48                                     ` martin rudalics
2008-03-17 22:53                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18  3:12                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18  7:49                                     ` martin rudalics
2008-03-18 16:36                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 16:44                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18 14:45                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 16:39                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 18:28                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 21:42                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 22:30                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-18 22:39                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-19  4:40                                         ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-26  8:09                                           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 10:48                                             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 11:32                                               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 11:39                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 12:20                                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 13:14                                                     ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-26 13:26                                                       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 14:52                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-27  0:46                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 12:02                                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-26 11:47                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-26 22:26                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-26 23:31                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-27  7:02                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27  8:19                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-27  8:41                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 13:57                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-27 14:39                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 15:01                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-27 15:34                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 15:41                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-27 15:13                                                               ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-27 19:41                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27 23:52                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-28  7:33                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29  0:47                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-29  7:03                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29 11:53                                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-29 12:30                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-29 14:07                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29 14:45                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-29 15:09                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29 15:30                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-30  0:52                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-30 17:56                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30  5:49                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-28  4:05                                                       ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-28 11:10                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-28 17:14                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-28 20:05                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-28 23:49                                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-28 20:42                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-28 21:47                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-28 22:01                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30  0:48                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-30 17:55                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 18:55                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-27  0:49                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-27  2:59                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-27 19:41                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27 23:48                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-28 20:41                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-29  0:54                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-29  1:15                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-29 16:37                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30  1:05                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-30  4:12                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-30 18:33                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-31 16:24                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30 19:56                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30 22:46                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 22:26                                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-18 17:45                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16  2:33                 ` Richard Stallman
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2008-03-16 12:58 Robert J. Chassell

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