From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:49:47 +0100 Message-ID: <47BB792B.1090806@gmail.com> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47B39231.8010108@gmail.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <7dbe73ed0802191545p3ff130came6223617e43c8466@mail.gmail.com> <47BB6B13.9030804@gmail.com> <85d4qslc43.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <47BB7226.1080100@gmail.com> <857ih0lb9b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203468663 6281 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 00:51:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, Dan Nicolaescu , storm@cua.dk, Alan Mackenzie , Miles Bader , Mathias Dahl To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 01:51:27 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRdBG-0004Ju-IW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:51:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRdAl-0000w8-RI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:50:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRdAg-0000vK-V6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:50:51 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRdAf-0000uY-DI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:50:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRdAf-0000uM-0W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:50:49 -0500 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRdAT-0001sn-3R; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:50:37 -0500 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:61165 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JRdAR-00009Y-6a; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:50:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <857ih0lb9b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080219-0, 2008-02-19), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JRdAR-00009Y-6a. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1JRdAR-00009Y-6a a4edc3ba748d6ed92b27a5a948207285 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89632 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > >> David Kastrup wrote: >>> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: >>> >>>> Don't we all think that new users probably want the highlight the way >>>> cua-mode does it? >>> No, we don't. That was easy. >> ;-) >> >> So some of us think that new users want highlighting in Emacs to >> differ from most other applications they use. Can someone summarize >> what differences we expect them to like? And maybe why? > > Because a web browser is not an editor? Because in other applications > it is usual only to mark small visible areas instead of large ones? And > do that with the mouse (which works in Emacs just as expected, anyway)? In what way does cua-mode interfere here? (Except for the key bindings.) > If new users wanted everything to be the same as elsewhere, they would > not try Emacs in the first place. For example, cut&paste&kill using the > mouse in Emacs is vastly superior to how other applications do it (they > require using the keyboard for that, or context menus, or toolbar > buttons). It would be nonsensical to make Emacs inferior so that people > don't have to learn how Emacs is better than their usual applications. What you say here seems reasonable, but I never use a mouse in Emacs. The point is of course that new users should be able to use their old habits as far as possible + new features from Emacs. > So could you please take your strawman elsewhere? Nobody ever proposed > that Emacs should behave differently from other applications merely for > the sake of being different. I don't think I said so. I am sorry if my little joke upset you.