From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:23:52 -0800 Message-ID: <479A8BA8.1070002@emf.net> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <4pd9g15e.fsf@blue.sea.net> <87r6g7z3m2.fsf@everybody.org> <87odbbngr8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080125231308.57E9A30303@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1201304981 8122 80.91.229.12 (25 Jan 2008 23:49:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: ams@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 26 00:50:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JIYJ2-0004zi-82 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:49:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JIYIb-0000m2-W6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:49:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JIYIX-0000lc-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:49:25 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JIYIV-0000lI-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:49:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JIYIV-0000lF-Pk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:49:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JIYIO-0006nd-Hg; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:49:16 -0500 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.72.159] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 20674933; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:49:01 -0800 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: <20080125231308.57E9A30303@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87531 Archived-At: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > GNU projects should use and thus support other GNU projects, as a > matter of loyalty. So if bzr becomes a GNU package, we should use > bzr. > > For the record, we have tla which does what bzr does. > > Oops. Though I had resolved to say next to nothing on this list I must poke in here. Tla helped give birth to bzr. Bzr is completely rewritten, as far as I know. Bzr is defined by large amounts of creative contribution that have nothing to do with me. But: tla really helped lead to bzr, fairly directly. The point is, that it does not disrespect the GNU Arch project to consider GNU-izing and organizing around bzr. That is a technical question and it is a legal, economic and ethical question about how the project will be run in the future -- but, if I have any authority on the matter, adopting bzr is not per se any kind of disloyalty to tla. tla, -t