From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:20:22 +0100 Message-ID: <478010B6.2030200@gmail.com> References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> <20080104232514.GB2735@muc.de> <20080105122310.GB3014@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199575278 26150 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 23:21:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 23:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 06 00:21:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBIKV-0004Dq-QD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:21:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBIK4-0005tZ-Ss for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:21:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBIK0-0005qe-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:20:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBIJt-0005cx-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:20:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBIJt-0005cY-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:20:49 -0500 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBIJs-0005C6-HA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:20:49 -0500 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:61527 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBIJZ-0004hT-4Q; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:20:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080105-0, 2008-01-05), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JBIJZ-0004hT-4Q. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1JBIJZ-0004hT-4Q 6240519f570c8aab6170eb2bce62a9f2 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86255 Archived-At: Óscar Fuentes wrote: >>> I was thinking about this possibility and concluded that it is not >>> possible to build a decent bug-tracking system using only a VCS. The >>> reason is the importance of the user interface, which must be open to >>> everybody, not only for the committers, as PROBLEMS and TODO are now, >>> thus effectively dissuading possible contributions from the outside. >> OK, VCS access IN ADDITION TO web access. How about that? > > Others just proposed such a system. I'm skeptical about it. So far, it > seems quite limiting and for a good reason: I do not get your point here. Can you explain why you are skeptical and why you think it would be limiting in another way? >>> Furthermore, a bug-tracking system needs a database and a VCS is not >>> good at that. >> That is a good argument for staying with an email based system. ;-( >> What's the point of a bug system if you have to be online to use it? It >> kind of cancels out the benefit of a dVCS for our other files. >> >> Are you telling me I won't be able to grep a bug-tracking database? If >> I'm using such a database, I want instant response when I press to >> look at an item. I want to be able to do M-x occur (or the like) on it, >> without going through some ghastly GUI interface. I want regexp >> searching, filtering with a "command line"-like interface (e.g., like >> mutt has), and so on. And I want the database on my own hard disk, for >> speed and flexibility. > > You can request a plain-text export of the database. >