From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "CHANGED outside Customize" in frames customization group Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:14:48 +0100 Message-ID: <477F5898.7030805@gmx.at> References: <477616F3.8000003@gmx.at> <4777A62F.9080009@gmx.at> <4777E0F1.3080100@gmx.at> <4778CCC5.1080407@gmx.at> <477A14D2.3040909@gmx.at> <477D3866.4020702@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199528878 22103 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 10:27:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 11:28:17 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JB6GG-0003pa-47 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:28:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JB6Ft-0001pW-HK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:27:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JB6By-000723-0M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:23:50 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JB6Bw-00070J-J8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:23:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JB6Bv-0006zL-73 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:23:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JB6Bu-0002D3-NG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:23:47 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Jan 2008 10:23:45 -0000 Original-Received: from N932P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.60.111]) [62.47.60.111] by mail.gmx.net (mp056) with SMTP; 05 Jan 2008 11:23:45 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WoxZMBEMWg658vjG03KKfkK9St1z0mFq0OJaASE 9+gHch/O4BV5ZG User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86132 Archived-At: > The problem is then that anyone who wants to know the current default > settings can't tell them by just consulting `default-frame-alist' alone. > Within Emacs currently just faces, fringe, cua-base, and erc do so, but > there may exist packages beyond Emacs ... > > That is a drawback, but not a disaster. It's better than the current > situation. Agreed. BTW, we now also have `window-system-default-frame-alist' which is not consulted by these either. > > I have to avoid an > > > > "Attempt to autoload customize-set-variable while preparing to dump" > > > > error here. > > > > Yes, but why would that error happen? > > It gets called by fringe.el. > > Sorry, I do not understand what that would imply. > Can you give a complete explanation? You can test this if you replace, in `modify-all-frames-parameters', `setq' by `customize-set-variable' as you suggested earlier and then remake Emacs. On my system making aborts with the "Attempt to ..." bug mentioned above. IIUC, someone noticed that this could constitute a problem for the scroll-bar case and handled this by introducing `scroll-bar-mode-explicit' but didn't care about doing the same thing for fringes.